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post Oct 6, 2009 - 6:15 PM
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No one is saying that it isn't relative to wheel width, but do the math, a .5" reduction from a wheel will be .25" from each side of the centerline. .25" = 6.35mm, or just 6mm. Now, with an offset of +25 on an 8" wide wheel means that of the 203mm of width (8", keep up.), 126.5mm is behind the mounting surface, and 76.5mm is in front.

If you do the math on paper, and then measure your distance from your mounting area out to the fender and in to the strut you'll be able to see if it fits. Which it will.


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 6:27 PM
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QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Jul 29, 2009 - 1:09 PM) *
Stretched tires look bad on anything other than Euro cars - like a nice MKII vw GTi.



QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Oct 6, 2009 - 5:13 PM) *
I'm going with 16x9 +25 wheels and on paper they're going to fit perfectly with my fenders rolled flat.


haha you know if you put a 16x9 on a celica you'll have to stretch
post Oct 6, 2009 - 6:33 PM
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I'll clarify when I get home. I'm not linking pictures from my cell phone.


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 7:04 PM
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This is what I am talking about when I refer to "stretch". There is a certain amount that is fine. Such as Harold's tires. My tires won't be stretched much.


This = bad



This = good


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 7:19 PM
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QUOTE (SoundSlut_dotcom @ Oct 6, 2009 - 6:38 PM) *
so basically a 18 x 8 25 offset will fit and look good? or flush for that matter



It will be close to flush in the front. This would be your best bet. As for the rear, you need a spacer if you want +25 all around. 20mm spacer would make the rears flush. You will have crazy strut clearance with 8in wide wheels at this offset as well.




QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 6:55 PM) *
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Hold your horses people. wink.gif

One thing that everyone forgets when talking about offset is that it is relative to the width of the wheel. 25mm on an 8 inch rim could be TOTALLY different than 25mm on another width of rim.

That being said, 25mm on an 8 inch rim is not a good idea for a lowered vehicle. The lower the offset number on the same width rim, the further it will stick out of the wheel well... From the measurements I was given by slowrider and jgreening a few years ago 40mm is recommended for lowered vehicles. 25mm will stick out almost an inch further and you'll almost certainly have clearance issues with the rear fender. I doubt you'll want to take a risk with your paint job trying to roll your fenders to get them to clear...

Someone mentioned air ride as well... How much larger/smaller are the bags compared to the normal spring/strut combo? If they're larger this is all a moot point and I'd recommend trying some wheels on before making a purchase.



Cool your jets champ. smile.gif et40 looks like **** no matter how you run it. Go look at my post in this thread on my wheel fitment. I have no rubbing issues what so ever and have my Camber set at 0.

The whole, lowered cars use this offset and stock height use this is a bunch of crap. I may actually make a proper fitment guide tonight on wheel sizes and what is actually flush. (Flush does not mean, still sinks inside the fender, that would be sunk.)


As for soundslut, we already know the width and offset. Therefore, we do not have to randomly guess what would be flush.



Now. As for Fender rolling. The fronts are pretty much rolled for you from the factory. You can crush the plastic in a bit if needed, but I found they were rolled enough to not cause any issues. The rears need a good roll. I flattened the lip and that is all. I DID NOT pull my fenders at all to make my wheels fit.

QUOTE (freddy121389 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 6:06 PM) *
do you think i would need a fender roll if i have 9.5 35 offset in the rear?



Yes. Just roll the inside lip, dont worry about pulling the fender though.


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 7:28 PM
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I used measurements from two people's cars and deduced the best offset/width combonations from the information they provided. If 40mm offset on an eight inch rim is what clears with no modification that's what I'll suggest. If you think it'll work even though it sticks out almost a whole inch than what has been proven I hope you're sure cause I'd hate for him to be out several hundred dollars.

No need to be a douche about it either. I don't have a whole lot of time anymore to read the forums and last I looked at this thread a few months ago the relation to wheel width wasn't being considered in some peoples suggestions.

Considering the stretch of the sidewall, how much comfort do you want to give up to get a flush rim. The more you stretch an already lower profile tire the more harsh the ride will be... it's very possible to fit all sorts of offsets with tires having sidewalls stretched to the max. I'm pretty sure the people I got my info from weren't using anywhere near that stretched of a tire.

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post Oct 6, 2009 - 7:53 PM
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so was going to buy some H&R spacers on friday, 10mm on each wheel, currently have an offset of ET38 on a 17x7 rim, you think this going to ok? effectively the offset would become ET28, i'm lowered on Tein S.Techs so its not on a mega drop


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 8:03 PM
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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 8:53 PM) *
so was going to buy some H&R spacers on friday, 10mm on each wheel, currently have an offset of ET38 on a 17x7 rim, you think this going to ok? effectively the offset would become ET28, i'm lowered on Tein S.Techs so its not on a mega drop



you will have plenty of space for the wheel to sink inside the fender. You will be about 18mm shy of being flush.

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QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 8:28 PM) *
I used measurements from two people's cars and deduced the best offset/width combonations from the information they provided. If 40mm offset on an eight inch rim is what clears with no modification that's what I'll suggest. If you think it'll work even though it sticks out almost a whole inch than what has been proven I hope you're sure cause I'd hate for him to be out several hundred dollars.

No need to be a douche about it either. I don't have a whole lot of time anymore to read the forums and last I looked at this thread a few months ago the relation to wheel width wasn't being considered in some peoples suggestions.

Considering the stretch of the sidewall, how much comfort do you want to give up to get a flush rim. The more you stretch an already lower profile tire the more harsh the ride will be... it's very possible to fit all sorts of offsets with tires having sidewalls stretched to the max. I'm pretty sure the people I got my info from weren't using anywhere near that stretched of a tire.




What I am say is try fitting a et53 9in wide wheel on our car as noted by your original calculations. It wont even come close to bolting up because the tire will have to go through the strut.

Yes, I realize your calculations are so people still have plenty of clearance for their sunk wheels. That is fine, in my world, it looks dumb. So in about 20 minutes I will post up the flush offset calculations.


As per low profile tires. I am running 45 series all the way around. I am not trying to be a douche. I am pointing out that the original calculations, which I realized are yours now that I went and looked are not right through and through.


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 8:37 PM
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http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=69919


You can go there for Flush Fitment Guide.

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QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Oct 6, 2009 - 9:42 PM) *
My hero.



I just added a bit on adapters as well.


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post Oct 6, 2009 - 10:14 PM
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QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 6, 2009 - 8:06 PM) *
What I am say is try fitting a et53 9in wide wheel on our car as noted by your original calculations. It wont even come close to bolting up because the tire will have to go through the strut.

Yes, I realize your calculations are so people still have plenty of clearance for their sunk wheels. That is fine, in my world, it looks dumb. So in about 20 minutes I will post up the flush offset calculations.


English must not be your first language because it says right there next to it in my first post that it probably won't fit.

QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 6, 2009 - 8:37 PM) *
First: You will need to run stretched tires for this to work and preferably a nicely lowered car.......... Or 4x4 your car and run it Donk status. I don't care, but you will have to choose one of those options.

FOR THE REAR WHEELS ONLY **You need to roll your fenders for all of these.

As for tires, I highly suggest you run 45 series tires and I HIGHLY recommend Falken 512s. They handle stretching very well.

These numbers will make your wheel flush with the body. If you want to wheel to poke then run a lower offset then I have listed. This in turn means you need to run a smaller diameter tire and some negative camber.

Spacers:
For those of you who need a 25mm spacer or larger for your look. I suggest A-Dapt-It USA (http://adaptitusa.com/) or Motorsport Technologies (http://www.motorsport-tech.com/)
The A-Dapt-It's will be cheaper and will be lug centric. Motorsport Tech can make you hubcentric to hubcentric adapters which are double the cost of A-Dapt-It's. Either choice is fine, I run lug centric and so do plenty of other people. Toyota still ships cars off the assembly line with lug centric wheels. Don't let the scare tactics of hubcentric or die mess with your head. With lug centric you just need to tighten your lugnuts in the standard star pattern starting from the top.


You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.

If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.

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QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 11:14 PM) *
You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.

If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.



What do you truly know about cars? Honestly.

Most people on this forum fall into the category of: I believe what I read on the internet when it comes to all this car stuff. You realize lug centric and hub centric are just there to center your wheel. You do realize this right. Because from what I gather you seem to think that a small plastic ring shoved between your wheel and your hub will somehow make your parts 100x better. And that should something go wrong my hub ring will bear the weight of my wheel so my studs are not ripped out. Seriously, is this what you believe?


I have been running Lug centric for over 80,000 miles now. Holy crap, nothing and I mean nothing has gone wrong. Oh my.....

and for the record. It is called a wheel. Not a rim.

And yes, I will go make my own thread. Good day sir, I said good day.


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QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 6, 2009 - 10:40 PM) *
QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 11:14 PM) *
You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.

If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.



What do you truly know about cars? Honestly.

Most people on this forum fall into the category of: I believe what I read on the internet when it comes to all this car stuff. You realize lug centric and hub centric are just there to center your wheel. You do realize this right. Because from what I gather you seem to think that a small plastic ring shoved between your wheel and your hub will somehow make your parts 100x better. And that should something go wrong my hub ring will bear the weight of my wheel so my studs are not ripped out. Seriously, is this what you believe?


I have been running Lug centric for over 80,000 miles now. Holy crap, nothing and I mean nothing has gone wrong. Oh my.....

and for the record. It is called a wheel. Not a rim.

And yes, I will go make my own thread. Good day sir, I said good day.


You just don't get it.


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post Oct 7, 2009 - 3:53 AM
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mines a daily driver and I often carry birds in the back and stuff in the boot so can't have rubbing nor do I want to roll the arches.


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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Oct 7, 2009 - 4:53 AM) *
mines a daily driver and I often carry birds in the back and stuff in the boot so can't have rubbing nor do I want to roll the arches.



I DD mine as well. I lug junk all the time in my trunk, anything from my bike, to golf equipment, computer junk, mulch or sandbags, etc.


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To reinforce 40mm being doggy doo doo on a lowered car, this is my first Celica on 17x7 et42. 2mm away from the magical number. Lowered on Ground Control coilovers. You can see just how sunk in the wheels are by the shadow the fenders are casting.



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^ You think that's sunk in?



I think these rims are too skinny to look good with spacers anyway.

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You don't wanna see how sunk in my Enkei RS-6 wheels are in my Celica. laugh.gif I bought them online without even knowing about wheels. Being young and stupid hurts you sometimes. I still have them...seven years later, LOL.


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