Manual to Power Windows/Locks Conversion, REALLY CLOSE NOW! Need help, see pg 5 Options

[BloodyStupidDave...]

Question - do I need to remove the inside of the door (the metal part) in order to remove/replace the existing window track and mount the new one w/its motor? If so, HOW? Which bolts need to unbolt in order to do this? I've figured out which 3 bolts hold in the existing track. Will I be able to unbolt those and pull the window off the track w/out removing the inside of the door?

I wouldn't expect so. I would have thought you can feed the bits through one of the openings. Certainly it is much easier to feed the wiring loom through with the speaker removed.

One last thing - where the heck does the door lock actuator go inside the door? I can't quite make sense of which rod connects to which part of the lock, and where it all bolts up.

I'll take some pics tomorrow. In the mean time:



^^ The two connectors at the top are the tweeter and the mirror connectors. You can see that once the loom has passed into the door, it comes back out again the the corner of the door and splits into two branches. One branch goes to speakers, mirrors and door controls; the other branch runs under the speaker and back into the door:



It then goes to the window regulator, door acutator (behind the plastic film) , ...


... and courtesy light:


This one isn't a particularly good photo I'm afraid. You can just about make out the door loom entering the body of the car through the rectangular white plastic grommet / loom protector in the center of the picture (this is the passenger side):


Another similar shot. The rectangular plastic grommet is in the center top of the picture. The connections between the door loom and body loom can be seen in the bottom center of the picture (along with a connection between body loom and I forget what):


Similar setup for the driver's side. The door loom passing through the rectangular plastic grommet in the drivers' kick panel:


And the connections between door loom and body loom on the driver's side (also showing the connector between body and rear body loom). I've popped the plastic retainer out of the bodywork to get a better picture - you can see the hole in the bodywork that the retainer fits into just to the right of the retainer:


Finally, a picture of the door control. On UK RHD cars, it is above the driver's left knee, tucked just behind the lower dashboard trim. The bracket that holds it in place is the overexposed bracket just to the left of the box. The bottom of the steering column can be seen in the top left corner of the picture:


This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Jun 21, 2008 - 4:56 PM

[GriffGirl]

Okay, this all makes sense. I'm going to have another go at the window rail and door lock motor-thingie. I'll look for your pix in the morning; you're 8 hrs. ahead of me so you're day will almost be over when I'm just getting to this.

Thank you again for all your help.

[BloodyStupidDave...]

One last thing - where the heck does the door lock actuator go inside the door? I can't quite make sense of which rod connects to which part of the lock, and where it all bolts up.

The door lock actuator goes in the bottom corner of the door furthest away from where the loom enters the door (that is, the actuator is located just behind the connector for the courtesy light:




This one shows some of the bolts for the window regulator:

[GriffGirl]

Okay - I've made good progress. I've wired in the loom and have figured out where to plug in the "socket" that has the pink wires running from it (speaker, mirror, etc. I think). There's another socket - probably the actual one for the window motor. I can't see where this plugs in though; there was one wiring harness that had nothing attached to it already in the car, and the new harness plugged in just fine to that. But that one "t's" off - one end plugs into the wiring harness that runs to the door, the other end (the homeless end) must plug in somewhere under the dash to draw power. WHERE?

I hope this makes sense. The one I'm speaking of has IIRC a blue connector, or little blue clippy things on two of the wires, like they're there to mark something. It's written in Japanese though. I only speak "american." (LOL)

Still haven't found where the door relay actually plugs in, or rather what plugs into it, but your photos make perfect sense to me and I'm just going to keep looking.

Looks like I just might have power windows (at least) by the end of the night! Woohoo!

[GriffGirl]

still can't find where that last connector plugs in ... can't get the window in unless I can get that rail to slide down...

[BloodyStupidDave...]

There's another socket - probably the actual one for the window motor. I can't see where this plugs in though;

IIRC, the window motor has a short wire coming out of it. I Don't recall whether it has a plug on the window motor itself and then an extension lead or whether the wires just come out of the motor through a grommet. But either way I am 99% sure the other end of that short wire is the connector you see behind the film in the last photo above.

there was one wiring harness that had nothing attached to it already in the car, and the new harness plugged in just fine to that. But that one "t's" off - one end plugs into the wiring harness that runs to the door, the other end (the homeless end) must plug in somewhere under the dash to draw power. WHERE?

I'm not sure I understand the above. Some pictures would help. But I think you are saying that the body harness that you have the door loom plugged into is Y shaped or possibly 3 branches go into one trunk. You are looking for things to plug into the connectors on the other branches?

The bit of the door loom that ends in the body of the car should have two connectors. This should be the case for both the passenger and the driver door looms. I would expect your car's body loom to have matching connectors unused behind the kick panels so should be just a case of plugging the door looms into the body loom on each side. If this is the case, the body loom will already have all the wires connected (power and otherwise) and all you'll need to do is fit any missing relays and fuses.

The one I'm speaking of has IIRC a blue connector, or little blue clippy things on two of the wires, like they're there to mark something. It's written in Japanese though. I only speak "american." (LOL)

Do you have a picture of this?

Still haven't found where the door relay actually plugs in, or rather what plugs into it, but your photos make perfect sense to me and I'm just going to keep looking.

Try taking out your shifter cover, upper center console cover, radio and aircon. You sould clearly be able to see the wiring loom running down the inside edge of the center console from the very top of the dashboard to the shifter mechanism and handbrake. On my RHD car, it runs down the right-hand-side. I don't know whether that will be reversed for you on not (probably). If you follow that loom, you'll find several branches along its route. It starts off about 3/4" thick at the top and by the time it gets to the handbrake it is only 2 or three wires. At about where your radio goes, you should find a short branch ending in that big orange, grey or white plug. It may well be taped up, covered in sticky-back foam or otherwise tucked out of the way.

[GriffGirl]

there was one wiring harness that had nothing attached to it already in the car, and the new harness plugged in just fine to that. But that one "t's" off - one end plugs into the wiring harness that runs to the door, the other end (the homeless end) must plug in somewhere under the dash to draw power. WHERE?

I'm not sure I understand the above. Some pictures would help. But I think you are saying that the body harness that you have the door loom plugged into is Y shaped or possibly 3 branches go into one trunk. You are looking for things to plug into the connectors on the other branches?

The bit of the door loom that ends in the body of the car should have two connectors. This should be the case for both the passenger and the driver door looms. I would expect your car's body loom to have matching connectors unused behind the kick panels so should be just a case of plugging the door looms into the body loom on each side. If this is the case, the body loom will already have all the wires connected (power and otherwise) and all you'll need to do is fit any missing relays and fuses.

Yes - this one of the two of these is the connectors I'm speaking of that seems to have nowhere to be plugged in. One of the connectors has some pink and purple wires (among others) coming from it - this one is probably the connector that wires the speaker, tweeter, little red light (you call it a puddle light I believe) and the annoying "Door is Ajar" chime. This one has a place to plug in. The other connector contains mainly blue wires coming from it (among others) and is clearly the connector that powers the window and probably the mirrors as well. I've searched and searched and have not been able to find anywhere to plug it in. For that matter, I can't find any available sockets to speak of whatsoever. I'm starting to think my car just doesn't have it - which means a trip to a wrecking yard after work today to try to locate the left and right side looms to connect these to. Otherwise this whole thing is basically a miserable failure. And I refuse to accept that.

Still haven't found where the door relay actually plugs in, or rather what plugs into it, but your photos make perfect sense to me and I'm just going to keep looking.

Try taking out your shifter cover, upper center console cover, radio and aircon. You sould clearly be able to see the wiring loom running down the inside edge of the center console from the very top of the dashboard to the shifter mechanism and handbrake. On my RHD car, it runs down the right-hand-side. I don't know whether that will be reversed for you on not (probably). If you follow that loom, you'll find several branches along its route. It starts off about 3/4" thick at the top and by the time it gets to the handbrake it is only 2 or three wires. At about where your radio goes, you should find a short branch ending in that big orange, grey or white plug. It may well be taped up, covered in sticky-back foam or otherwise tucked out of the way.

I'll try doing this tonight - I got so caught up in trying to figure out the window motor connector deal that it was dark before I could get to the issue of the relay. I'm willing to bet that relay is behind my stereo somewhere. I've taken that thing apart enough times at this point that I remember there being "extra" plug-thingies back there, I bet one of them plugs into the relay. I'm not so concerned about this right now.

Question - currently the position of the window motor is in the "up" position. This has effectively rendered me completely unable to actually secure the window glass in. Scary business. Is there a way to "force" the motor to slide down (without damaging the motor) so I can actually connect the window safely?

[GriffGirl]

Look, pix!

This is the plug that I believe powers the window motor:




...and this is the connector that was already in the car. The above pictured will plug into the socket you see below to the right. The one I'm holding is the one that's then left with no place to plug in in to:



Here it is with the connector from the door harness plugged in to the connector that's inside the car. Note the one at the bottom; this is the one that should plug somewhere into the car. If you look right above it, you'll see in the background where the other part of the door harness plugged in (the speaker, mirror and door light). There are two things plugged in there, and a nice empty little square where it looks like there should be the thing that my homeless piece should plug in to.



So am I just missing part of the wiring harness entirely? That's what I'm starting to think. If someone could please tell me where exactly this pigtail plugs in, and if they could follow the wiring from that plugin to where it connects (behind the fuse box I'm guessing?), I will go to a wrecking yard and try to get the missing link.

[njccmd2002]

i have to take apart my dash either today or tomorrow, ill post some pics....

[BloodyStupidDave...]

This is the plug that I believe powers the window motor:

[snip pic]

Okay, so that is the end of the door loom? I can't tell from the photo.

...and this is the connector that was already in the car.

[snip pic]

I see. I think that is something completely different, actually. It is certainly different to the UK setup.
The way to tell is to look at each wire coming from the door loom and figure out where it goes to on that Y loom.

On the Uk cars, most of those wires go to the back of the fuseboard, some go to the other beige board.

How is the passenger side looking?

[GriffGirl]

The passenger side also appears to be lacking a place to plug in the 2nd loom. Yes, I agree that it's completely different than your setup - however I'm not sure if this is because it's USDM, or it's 94-95. My suspicion is that it's in part that it's 94-95, and in part that it's an ST and not a GT. It looks like there's some stuff that's the same, but some that totally isn't. What I don't get though is for example, why would there be fuses in the fuse panel for options I don't have? I.E. there's a fuse in the place for fogs, seat heater, and one other thing I can't remember. I thought USDM didn't even come w/heated seats. My car didn't come with fogs, and for that matter it was my understanding that NO USDM 94-95 had fogs as an option.

Oh and yeah, picture one shows one of the ends of the door loom. The other end is the loom containing the pink and purple wires immediately to the left of that socket. It's plugged in.

[GriffGirl]

Can anyone with a USDM please check to see where the receptacle for this homeless socket leads to? take a pic maybe? Up behind the fuse panel perhaps? I desperately need to get this figured out; I can't bolt in my window until I can get power to the motor.

[njccmd2002]

the pics were being uploaded.. the setup is different, that extra plug you have does not look like i have it.

soo, i dont think you need it. as you can see the two plugs from the door plug directly into the socketsl, i dont have a pital in Y formation. Oh the red plugs are for the alarm, how complicated that thing is....

initial view...



those red plugs are the alarm..



picture of the door plugs wthout the harness



another side view



even found the alarm..

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and final another better view....




This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 23, 2008 - 6:16 PM

[DEATH]

picture of the door plugs wthout the harness



another side view

OK better pics than the ones I gave you Griffy. Do you even have those female plugs?

[GriffGirl]

Bad times. I have 2 of the 3 plugs on that junction. I'm missing the top one.

I need to verify something - I know that white junction box just unclips from it's little home. It has wires that run to the back of the fuse plate. Do those wires unplug from the fuse plate?

Pix coming in a few minutes of what mine looks like, then you'll know exactly what I mean and why this SUCKS for me at the moment.

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Jun 24, 2008 - 11:05 AM

[GriffGirl]

Okay, here's a pic of what mine looks like. As you can see, I'm missing the top female socket that the other pigtail from the door harness plugs in to. You can also clearly see that I'm doing this on work time, and the exact time I took this picture. The wires that I'm pointing to are the wires that trace up to the back of the fuse panel. (I believe there's another pigtail that splits from these too, but when unplugged, the entire harness leads to the back of the fuse panel). My question is, is it possible to unplug the wires from the back of the fuse panel?

[BloodyStupidDave...]

My question is, is it possible to unplug the wires from the back of the fuse panel?

Yes it is, however they are nearly all part of big looms. Most of the wires that go to the connectors that plug into the fuse panel are either part of the engine bay loom or part of the body loom.

[GriffGirl]

Yes, so I've discovered. Crap-o-rama. I've really got my work cut out for me.

It looks as though I'll be splicing into some other mystery part of the wiring to make this happen. There's a couple of people helping me with it. So for now it's on hold, but hopefully in the next day or so it'll be back rolling again. Man this is a PITA. And I was SO close... sigh...

[BloodyStupidDave...]

It looks as though I'll be splicing into some other mystery part of the wiring to make this happen.

If you have a donar car, a schematic, a safety pin and some time you can take the same approach I am with my aircon to climate conversion.

Follow each individual wire in the donar car, make a note of the connector and pin number at each end of the wire and then use the safety pin to remove the wire from the connector (or remove all the other wires if you need the connector also - but then make sure you note the position of every wire in the connector). If you have a camera it is even easier to make sure you have really good notes.

Then reverse the process on your own car.

[GriffGirl]

So, say I had the entire dash harness from said donor car. Would it be better to replace the entire dash harness in my car (yes I know, a PITA, but I want it done right, I'm already committed at this point) or splice in the bits of the harness that I'm lacking?

I'm up for the challenge of replacing the dash harness if this is the best way to go. I'm not necessarily looking for the easiest solution; I want the best solution. It's just another learning opportunity as far as how I see it. BUT - it's going to be 100 degrees here this weekend (WTF!!! That never happens here this time of year!) so I need to also consider the most pragmatic solution.