Swap Wiring Info Options

[lagos]

in an effort to help clear up the mystery about wring for the swap, i decided to start this thread. i plan to post any info that i find during my reaserch and would like to see the rest of you do the same. this way we can all share information and make swaping less of a hassle for future generations.

to start off, here are some ECU pin outs from my 91 BGB. i dont have any 6th gen pinouts yet but ill scan them in when i get my hands on a 6th gen BGB.

correct me if im wrong, but ECT means automatic and no ECT means manual?

[lagos]

From the Haynes 86-99 manual:

[lagos]

3sgte pinouts from the 91 BGB:

[Doge]

Does anyone have ANY info on what is required in order to get the harness to work properly with a 6th gen?

[lagos]

what i would like to know, is if you HAVE to rewire the main engine fuse box, or if you can just swap the one from the alltrac over.

on the interrior, i hear that there are about 4 plugs from the 5s harness that need to be spiced into the 3rd ecu plug. anyone know what those plugs are and where i can find them?

[Coomer]

Tim and I removed the information regarding the sharing of Mike's copyrighted wiring diagrams. We don't want anything to turn into a situation where Mike's rights as the copyright owner are not respected, which could turn into lawsuits, and the possible shutdown of this site if copyrighted material was shared illegally on this website.

Please understand that we would like to see as much information on the swap wiring as possible, but we're not going to risk the site and getting prosecuted over it.

So please do not ask anyone to share Mike(qatar11)'s copyrighted material regarding the swap. Mike has made non-disclosure agreements regarding this information.

Thanks,
Christian Coomer

[Doge]

Coomer I hope you realize that you just erased alot of good information that had nothing to do with Mike's "secrets." There were basic guidelines that DG gave on what the wiring job entails. I must say I wrote a pretty nasty post after I saw that you erased this info...but getting mad won't solve anything.

Can you please put that back up...We don't care about the copywrite info but the other stuff was good information

Mine as well just erase the whole post if nobody can post any info on it...

This post has been edited by Doge: Jun 2, 2004 - 5:11 PM

[Coomer]

Good point...DG's information is now below...sorry for removing the actual helpful swap wiring information in the first place.

[Doge]

Thank you Coomer

This post has been edited by Doge: Jun 2, 2004 - 5:16 PM

[jgreening]

Here is my $.02. A Wiring diagram is more like a procedure or process and less like an explanation in my opinion. As such, the appropriate intellectual property is a patent. Although his narative or pictures could potentially be copyrighted, no one on this site is interested in those documents and they should not be posted under any circumstances. However, the information itself (the "how to") unless subject to patent rights would not be protected.

On a different note, a man's word must be respected. DG should not be encouraged or pressured to break his word to Mike. Like it or not, Mike spent some time and expertise in developing these diagrams and unless we can learn from other people who independently have knowledge about the wiring (and who do not mind the information be shared free of charge for the greater benefit of the 6gc community), any information originated from Mike should not be posted without his consent.

P.S. I am not an intellectual property attorney and the information set forth herein is for informational purposes only. Use of this information does not create an attorney client relationship with anyone.

This is from the U.S. Copyright Office website:
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This post has been edited by jgreening: Jun 2, 2004 - 5:58 PM

[lagos]

umm... i must have missed out on alot today cause i dont know what the hell is going on.

anyway, im kind of wishing right now that i owned a DSM or a Honda. at least people there share all types of info.

i pulled out most of my 3sgte harness today. it dosnt seem that hard to rewire it. i think its possible to use the 3sgte fuse box and then after that you just have to rewire a few of the ecu plugs.

ill keep u guys updated....if anyone cares that is.

[Defgeph]

I care lagos give that wire hell .....

good luck

This post has been edited by defgeph: Jun 2, 2004 - 10:05 PM

[DG_Performance]

Wow everything i posted b4 has been chopped up ????
Well let me put something back in that was cut out ....

All i said about the swap is what coomer posted back up ( a general idea) to give you guys an idea of what you have to do when you have to rewire the harness.

I dont know why people are making a big deal over nothing ???????

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: May 14, 2005 - 4:03 PM

[DG_Performance]

So just to clear things up now since whoever deleted all from b4 is making it look like i did something wrong .....

It looks like from all the cutting of this topic that i had something illegal posted b4 from the way the post is now ,,,,,and that is not the case.

thanks,
dg

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: May 14, 2005 - 4:05 PM

[Coomer]

Yeah, we're not blaming anyone. No-one did anything wrong. The reason why we removed the discussion from earlier regarding Mike's rights to his copyrighted materials that he's released to a couple individuals was mainly because we didn't want to have people hassling DG and Supersprynt to release Mike's copyrighted information.

And Lagos, I wish everyone would(and could, in DG's and Supersprynt's cases) share all of the information that they had as well.

[lagos]

Coomer, the way i see it is that information is free. anyone has the right to share what they know and what they have learned. the only thing they dont have a right to do is post something that is not their work.

think of it this way. i can not leagally post a movie on the net for people to dowload, but i can talk about what i learned from watching that moive, because that is my free speach.

just because DG and Supersprynt paid mike an insane amount of money for diagrams, dosnt voild their right to free speech or helping someone out. as long as they dont post the diagrams that are copywritten, then they are in the clear.

what i think is the funniest is that you are making a huge deal over nothing, yet you didnt say anyhing about all the diagrams that i posted. they are © Toyota, you know.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 3, 2004 - 12:14 AM

[sinner96ST]

i read in another thread that mike isn't going to be making wiring harnesses anymore. i can understand the man's right to a profit, but if he isn't producing wiring harnesses anymore, i say for the greater good of the community, he should release them.

maybe all you swappers (or wanna be swappers) can donate some cash and see if you can't buy it outright from him, if he isn't going to do any more wiring. just a thought.

[lagos]

[macavely]

i'm not sure what mike did cause i never seen it.. but if he used 2 toyota digrams to make his own then i don't see the big deal in all off this.. but if he didn't then it really doesn't matter anyway..

now we can all use toyotas diagrams and post them on this site as long as you should toyotas TM on them.. and you don't charge anyone for seeing that information.. now i hope lagos finish his harness and then post a nice detailed how to so we don't have anymore problems for anyone wantting to do their own swaps later on..

[Doge]

What Coomer deleted wasn't anything that would have been helpful to anyone. So nobody worry about it. DG didn't say anything that would have got him in trouble. I'm actually kinda glad Coom deleted all that stuff..haha..it cleaned this post up alot. But what didnt get reposted is Mike's response to why he isn't doing harnesses anymore. So here it is again: