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 Jun 4, 2004 - 7:23 AM
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 Moderator  Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%)  |
commer & tim:
why was my post deleted? i didnt post any wiring info, i simply stated the FACT. this whole wiring thing is just bullsh*t. i mean, isnt the whole point of a message board to SHARE info? now, i not saying people should use mikes info, i "kinda" understand mikes point, but its not like mike is creating a whole new harness from scratch. he just modifys whats already there. and when i said someone should "step-up", i wasnt talking directly to anyone, i just meant that we as a community need to step-up and help. there is no need to have this veil of secresy around the wiring that needs to be done. it should be easily accsesable, so that EVERYONE who needs it can have it. i mean, thats how it is on 99% of other message boards, why is this one so diffrent? are we all so elite that we cannot share information? 
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Jun 4, 2004 - 7:25 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i agree 100 percent -------------------- |
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Jun 4, 2004 - 8:06 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
i think the problem is that one guy figured it out....told everyone that it was hard, and offered an easy way out for them. then everyone who did the swap after that got scared and just send their harness in. so, most people who did the swap have no clue as to whats going on.
after i figure everything out, i have no problem helping out anyone that is nice and honstly needs help, but i almost dont want to do a full tutorial or anything like that because of this ****. This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 4, 2004 - 8:12 AM -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jun 4, 2004 - 4:25 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I know for sure that I'm going to post as much info on the process as soon as I get mine done. Only after lots of troubleshooting with Legos that is =)
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Jun 4, 2004 - 4:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Man, after readoin this.. Thsi sight has just gotten alot more.. well no good.. I mean every other car or sight i have been to .. There were no secretes.. yeah someone spent time figuring somthing out.. but than shared, to save everyone from doing the same thing.. i understand wanting to make money... but man.. This is just stupid... Also I say to someone that did buy the diagram.. re-write it.. then post it.. that way its not illegal.. an to some stop being pricks...
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Jun 4, 2004 - 4:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I know we're pretty much being forced to reinvent the wheel here. But thats just how it's going to have to be. I don't think there's any convincing anyone, so we mine as well just try and get it done ourselves as quickly as possible and spread the info after its done...then we wont even have to worry about any "secrets" anymore.
Dig watch what you say man, we've already had most of this post deleted because of talk like that. |
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Jun 5, 2004 - 12:27 PM
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 Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
You guys have to understand that I'm not trying to prevent you guys from seeing the information...I'd love for someone to do the swap and do a full write-up on the wiring...that'd be stickied for sure if it was complete.
The thing is, I don't want Mike's information posted due to legal reasons. If it came down to it, he could probably sue the site and get it shut down if his copyrighted material was posted and allowed to stay, which I think wouldn't be worth it. This site has come a long way and I don't want it to be shut down over something like this. I really wish that Mike would freely share his information too, but he just won't do that. 
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Jun 5, 2004 - 12:38 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 3, '02 From Va Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
coomer i've been wondering is Mikes info truely copyrighted?
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Jun 5, 2004 - 12:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It doesn't matter...the people that have the info signed agreements so they can't share any of it. |
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Jun 6, 2004 - 11:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if it is there there is public recored of it being coypwretten... maybe someone should check on that.. -------------------- |
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Jun 6, 2004 - 12:50 PM
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Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
I don't know about printed works, but I know that anything you create online is automatically copyrighted. I think printed works might be the same way.
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Jun 6, 2004 - 8:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
lets get back on topic....
wiring update. today the 3sgte came out of the clip and the full Engine Bay Harness was removed. the wiring in the car consists of 3 harnesses. engine bayharness - all the wiring on connected to the engine. leads out thorugh the fire wall and plugs into the ecu. there are 3 ecu plugs and 2or3 plugs that plug into the interrior harness. interrior harness- all the wiring on the inside of the car. you just have to worry about 2or3 plugs. they control stuff like speedo, check engine, fuel pump(i think), etc. body harness- the harness that runs along the body of the car and connects to things like headlights, fogs, ect. then you have the main engine fuse box.you can use your stock one or the 3sgte one, but you MAY need to rewire it because some of plugs that connect to it are from the body harness and may not plug right in. hope this gives everyone a basic idea of how all of this works. this post is © Lagos. to view it legally, you must IM me and tell me im "the man". -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jun 6, 2004 - 8:33 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '02 From Blairstown, New Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Its a shame that we have to censor the boards over something that should be public knowledge. Ideally, we shold ask Mike for his consent to avoid any legal trouble, but i really dont think that he has any legal copyright over such information. The wiring schematics belong to Toyota, and are public knowledge so they arent property of Mike. If the way he used public information to solder wires together was copyright, then the way carpenters use wood to make furniture and build houses should be copyright as well, along with the way welders can use public knowledge through craftsmanship to join two pieces of metal. It might seem like a drastic example of how this sort of information isnt exactly protected by law, but the point of those examples are to prove that if the utilization of public knowledge into a final product is against the law, then such kinds of skilled labor would only be able to be legally performed by one person. Thats why this is silly. We all deserve to have such knowledge, both legally and intellectually. -------------------- 3rd gen ST205 3SGTE - Alive and boosting. |
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Jun 6, 2004 - 8:54 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Even if Mike's copywrite was valid, it might not be anymore. Mike has expressed a definite interest in never doing this again- and attempting to still hold on to his intellectual copywrite without accepting offers to buy it (or demanding an excessive price) would violate that copywrite.
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Jun 6, 2004 - 9:06 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 8, '04 From KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Keep this thread going lagos, it will come in handy when I want to do my swap.
Why would you use the other 2 harnesses? Wouldn't just the engine harness be all that you are after? Your not really changing the speedo, headlights and what not so I thing that would stay the same. |
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Jun 6, 2004 - 10:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
well, think about it...the 2nd gen 3sgte Engine Bay Harness came out of a car made in 1990, but your body and interror harness is 94+. so you have to convert the engine bay harness to work correctly with the 94+ plugs that it has to go into. in my theory, the wiring for the 3rd gen 3sgte should be all just plug and play. This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 6, 2004 - 10:12 PM -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jun 6, 2004 - 11:13 PM
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 Moderator Joined Apr 17, '03 From Rockland NY Currently Offline Reputation: 15 (100%) |
Is there a difference in the wiring harness from st and gt or is it the same ? Lagos do ur books show you st and gt wiring ? I'm curious to see if there is anything different. Also what about things like cruise control? like for example, if the clip has cruise control and ur car doesnt what do you do with things in that nature ?
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Jun 6, 2004 - 11:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
from what i have found the harness is the same for an ST(m/t),(a/t) GT.. but the wiring is a little bit diffrenet...
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Jun 7, 2004 - 12:44 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 24, '03 From Milton, Delaware Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I really doubt Mike can hold a copyright patent or whatever over the wiring, I'm not saying it should be posted, but iono, i'm just skeptical you can have a copyright over something like that.
Oh yeah mike, if you read this, are you still going to be able to help me out w/ the 94 st wiring diagrams like you said you would? Or is it gonna be possible to get any sort of refund from you? -Ryan -------------------- AIM : FAQdaWorld
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Jun 7, 2004 - 1:54 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Immediately after Mike sent me that response asking him if he still did harnesses I sent him an email asking him to let me know where I can send my harness, because if you read his reply it said he is still willing to do harnesses. But now I'm just thinking that was his way to make an excuse to hold onto the diagrams without showing us. He replied to my first email almost instantly..but then when I asked him when he can do my harness he seemed to drop off the face of the planet and he won't reply.
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