The MR2T tranny "short axel" solution, For those that want to know... Options

[yungazzdriver]

hey guys guess what....................well i have been looking at the stock st tranny and the all-trac tranny converted to fwd platform and the other day i pulled out my 7afe and tried the stock st top mount for the tranny on the e153 and well.................it is a direct bolt on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you need the stock st bracket and mount and it works perfectly!!!!

[Rjb23]

Except the stock st mount has 3 bolts where as the e153/st185 tranny has 4 bolts. And also the st mount is about half beefyness of the st185 mount that you can use.

[Punisher]

Let me bring this thread back to life...

This is what I did for the trans swap..

1/2" spacer for the passenger side.. looks good now.. before I put the spacer in i could see the engine rock when i turned the tires..

Fixed that up with the machined 1/2" spacer.

As for the driver side.. I'm having an issue with the inner lsd axle.. it turns out that I need to shave a cunt hair off of the axle spline shaft because it's to long.. it goes in and hits the back of the hole in the lsd... and the snap ring won't land.. i can pull the inner axle shaft out by hand.. this is resulting in the trans axle seal leaking.

I'm using a 99 camry e153 with a 95 jdm mr2 lsd.. and 93 mr2 lsd inners.

The passenger side inner sits in just fine no issues at all.. the carrier bearing bracket lines right up to the bolt holes on the block.

[InfamousChappy]

Did they machine the axles or just modify them?

[Punisher]

Did they machine the axles or just modify them?

What do you mean?

[InfamousChappy]

Modifying..They added a piece to an existing axle..Making it fit correctly. The problem with using the MR2 tranny with the 3Sgte on a celica is that axles tend to come out right?

SOmewhere..Maybe you could get an axle machined with MR2 trans splines and celica hub splines. The right length, angle, everything. Anyone looked into this?

[Punisher]

Why do people insist on making things MORE complicated than they have to be?

It isn't a matter of which axles you are using with what splines they have on them blah blah blah.. it's a matter that we are using the trans in a body that never came with that transmission option unless it was the GT4.

So anyway.. If you are using an e153 (camry/solara, MR2) trans (in my case a 99 camry) and you have an MR2 LSD in it.. then you need to use the MR2 LSD inner axles and alltrac outter axles. You need to make a spacer for the passenger side... 1/2" thick.. Although you may be able to go a bit thicker...

Then .. I had to shave a bit of the driver side inner axle off because the snap ring wasn't catching inside the LSD.. so the axle was coming out and it was leaking.. I was able to pull it out by hand.

So I put the inner axle on the end mill and I removed .150" ... that's .025 over a 1/8". The very end of the inner shaft has about a 1/4" of spline on it then (working backwards here) you hit the groove for the snap ring and then the rest of the splines.

So once I did that, the inner shaft locked in place for me and no more leaks.

I may of had to do this because I am using a 95 MR2 LSD... which may be slightly different than the 93..? I don't know.. doesn't matter either.. just git'r done!

This really isn't a complicated task though guys...

[playr158]

Modifying..They added a piece to an existing axle..Making it fit correctly. The problem with using the MR2 tranny with the 3Sgte on a celica is that axles tend to come out right?

SOmewhere..Maybe you could get an axle machined with MR2 trans splines and celica hub splines. The right length, angle, everything. Anyone looked into this?

thats a smart idea

[Punisher]

Yes... that is a wonderful idea if you are filthy rich.

[InfamousChappy]

So until you added the 1/2" spacer the axles had a 1/2" of play? True machines axles may be expensive...but if you know the right people.

It isn't a matter of which axles you are using with what splines they have on them blah blah blah.. it's a matter that we are using the trans in a body that never came with that transmission option unless it was the GT4.

So maybe for this reason you may need custom axles...especially when you get around the 300 hp mark if tuning the 3s motor. I'm still curious about your setup and I've never seen pictures of the drivetrain of a 3s swap...Can anyone send some pics of the halfaxles and such?

[Punisher]

There is pics of the axles installed with a spacer on the first page of this thread.

Getting axles "machined" would cost a ****in assload of money... it isn't as easy as you might imagine it to be. The best thing for us is to use the alltrac outters with the MR2 LSD inners and a spacer... I can't swear by the 1/2" spacer though because I do hear noise when I am making a slow turn sharp turn.. I think it might be coming from the axles.. not positive about that and I'm not positive which one it is.. I may need a shorter spacer on the passenger side..it might be binding up...

[toyotacrazy]

Sorry to bring this thread back up. But I just read the whole thing twice and Im still not certain of a few things. Ok so I need:
-st185 outers
-mr2 jack shaft w/carrier bearing
-mr2 inner on shorter axle
-some sort of spacer to lengthen axles
-WHAT SIZE SPACER IS NEEDED ON BOTH SIDES?

Is 1/2 inch sufficient? Did anyone maching a spacer for resale? I need some. Thanks

[HaRv3sTeR]

Sorry to bring this thread back up. But I just read the whole thing twice and Im still not certain of a few things. Ok so I need:
-st185 outers
-mr2 jack shaft w/carrier bearing
-mr2 inner on shorter axle
-some sort of spacer to lengthen axles
-WHAT SIZE SPACER IS NEEDED ON BOTH SIDES?

Is 1/2 inch sufficient? Did anyone maching a spacer for resale? I need some. Thanks

spcaer is only needed on passenger side , if im not wrong..

cant answer second question sorry


i cant believe theres still no sticky about this, it's something that alot of swapper need to be aware of!

[burnyd]

Sorry to bring this thread back up. But I just read the whole thing twice and Im still not certain of a few things. Ok so I need:
-st185 outers
-mr2 jack shaft w/carrier bearing
-mr2 inner on shorter axle
-some sort of spacer to lengthen axles
-WHAT SIZE SPACER IS NEEDED ON BOTH SIDES?

Is 1/2 inch sufficient? Did anyone maching a spacer for resale? I need some. Thanks

get a spare outer axle from advance auto parts... it will cost you like 6-80 dollars for it make it as a spacer.. you are missing mounts... front gt mount top mount will have to be made from a gt mount and a mr2 mount.. using both...

rear mount can be made for the cross member or you can buy a st205 cross member + st205 rear mount.

[toyotacrazy]

I was told the st205 crossmember and the gt crossmember were the same.

[Rjb23]

rear mount can be made for the cross member or you can buy a st205 cross member + st205 rear mount.

This information is incorrect.

You need a st185 driverside mount which you grind a little bit to get it to fit in the mount on the frame. You also need a GT front mount and bracket, and you also need a st205 rear bracket and mount.

As far as axles you need the stub shafts and carrier axle and bearing from the same year tranny that you have, and st185 outers. I did not use a spacer on mine and have had zero problems with axles popping out.

Also you can use the st shift cables, I have been using them for awhile now and no problems.

You do not need an st205 crossmember.

[burnyd]

rear mount can be made for the cross member or you can buy a st205 cross member + st205 rear mount.

This information is incorrect.

You need a st185 driverside mount which you grind a little bit to get it to fit in the mount on the frame. You also need a GT front mount and bracket, and you also need a st205 rear bracket and mount.

As far as axles you need the stub shafts and carrier axle and bearing from the same year tranny that you have, and st185 outers. I did not use a spacer on mine and have had zero problems with axles popping out.

Also you can use the st shift cables, I have been using them for awhile now and no problems.

You do not need an st205 crossmember.

lol... no... I used the mr2 mount and combined both the gt and that welded on top of metal I used to create the mount. You can get creative with mounts...

[Green_MachToy]

Thought this might help...here are some shots of the axles and the spacers, drivers side, passenger side, etc.
Axles
Axles
Drivers and Pass - side by side
I didn't adjust the spacer (cut down) and seemed to work just fine.

[scothaniel]

The cross member is the same on all 6th gens.

The front engine mount is the same on all 6th gens.

I've yet to find a difference between the GT and 205 passenger side mount. Maybe the rubber compand in the mount is stronger, but I couldn't tell a difference.

I'm running the full spacer - no problems.

[Rjb23]

The cross member is the same on all 6th gens.

The front engine mount is the same on all 6th gens.

I've yet to find a difference between the GT and 205 passenger side mount. Maybe the rubber compand in the mount is stronger, but I couldn't tell a difference.

I'm running the full spacer - no problems.

Exactly I'm sure the mount from the 205 and 185 are stronger for the higher hp.