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post Jun 11, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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I'm new to driving sticking-shift. Please don't flame me, I am here to keep my car from getting damaged.

When shifting from first gear to second, do you guys release the clutch slowly then step on the gas again?
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Do you release the clutch right away then step on the gas?

What's your process for handling the hills and slopes in an manual mr2 when you're at a complete stop? Do you use the e-brake?

1) Dad: I was told by my dad to release the clutch slowly but fast enough to keep the car going for all gears

2) Cousin: I was told by my cousin that if release the clutch slowly it would burn the clutch. He said you only release the clutch slowly on first gear. then on second i must let the clutch out completely then gas it.

3) Some guy online: I was asked some guy online and he said I should release the clutch slowly for 1st and 2nd gear then for 3 etc.... I should release the clutch quickly then gas it.

Please help I'm a bit confused now.
post Jun 11, 2004 - 12:07 PM
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I drive as to not feel the car jerk when im driving. This means that I rev match when shifting gears. The only thing i can think of that will burn your clutch super fast is dumping it. By this i mean reving ur car, to say 4k rpms, and releasing the clutch to burn out or race.
Everyone has a different driving style. I naturally drive fast so i release the clutch pretty fast and press the gas pedal a moderate amount to get me goin. It's harder to rev match while driving fast, but it is possible. If you drive like a sane person then you would, ofcourse, release the clutch alot slower and get on the gas pedal alot softer. As for going from a dead stop facing up hill, then use the e-brake......especially when theres another car behind you. Once you get to know ur car and know where the exact point for which your clutch engages, then the e-brake will not be necessary. If someone has another opinion then let me know, i might be missing stuff.
post Jun 11, 2004 - 7:38 PM
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i find that its best to feather the gas and and basically feel your clutch working for you. a good note would be rev to about 2k before starting to let the clutch out and then you can get a pretty good feel as to what the car totally feels like. and celica is probably one of the easiest stick cars to drive that i have driven. oh ya try not race it like noobs do after they learn stick cause it takes a long time of driving to become a really good driver of your car. hence a minute to learn and lifetime to master tongue.gif
post Jun 11, 2004 - 8:15 PM
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Latin's description is correct except for one thing. Being too slow on the clutch also causes wear. However, when you are getting started, I would not worry about this. Try to master shifting by living by the rule of not making the car jerk or stall. You will learn with practice. Congrats for not buying an automatic smile.gif


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i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Jun 12, 2004 - 12:04 AM
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You have it right tho, in general you want to go pretty slow with 1st... then to second a little bit faster, and after that it's all pretty quick.

The only real way to get it right is to use the feedback from the pedals (as in what you are feeling with your feet) and base your changes on that.
post Jun 14, 2004 - 2:54 AM
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if you press gas too much and relase clucht slowly you may burn clutch

1- if press gas too much relase clutch quickly ( quick start) but may still burn clutch
2- or dont press gas ( or press slightly) and relase clutch slowly thast ll be a smooth shift

dont worry you ll not think how to shift in a short time.
and its not that much easy to burn cluch in a few shifts.


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post Jun 14, 2004 - 3:17 AM
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do not shift back to first gear unless you are nearly stoped or you will grind the gear.. Same with reverse..

the way i do it is ... let off the clutch slowly, right when i feel the clutch start to grab and the car start to want to move forward.. I give the car a "little" gas so it doesnt stall out the engine and as i let off the clutch more i give it even more gas untill i finally dont have to hold the clutch down.. as for other gears.. i just let go of the clutch completely. if you find it really jerky when you are shifting gears it could be that you are shifting at a low RPM.
post Jun 14, 2004 - 7:21 AM
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Dont go into first at all unless your completely stopped. Downshift into second, and when ur coming to a stop, then throw it in neutral.

Also rev-matching, while racing or driving fast, is pointless. It slows ur acceleration down because the car slows down as ur pressing on the gas instead of throwing it in the gear it needs to be. "Double-clutching" which is inherintley the same thing, is only really done while decelerating. It provides a smoother transition between gears.

If ur very new at driving stick I would recommend sitting in a parking lot and practice using the clutch only. Once your able to get the car moving with no use of the gas u should be good to go.



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post Jun 14, 2004 - 8:23 AM
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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Jun 14, 2004 - 12:21 PM)
Dont go into first at all unless your completely stopped. Downshift into second, and when ur coming to a stop, then throw it in neutral.

Also rev-matching, while racing or driving fast, is pointless. It slows ur acceleration down because the car slows down as ur pressing on the gas instead of throwing it in the gear it needs to be. "Double-clutching" which is inherintley the same thing, is only really done while decelerating. It provides a smoother transition between gears.

If ur very new at driving stick I would recommend sitting in a parking lot and practice using the clutch only. Once your able to get the car moving with no use of the gas u should be good to go.

The transmittion shouldn't let you even if you accidently push the stick into first or reverse, unless your completly stopped.

The easiest way to get a hang of it when your first learning is to just have someone like your cousin or dad that can drive a stick in the car with you and they can help you by tellin you if your doing something wrong, and start trying to drive the car on flat land, the go down a hill or go towards a point where you can stop at and practice downshifting, the when your comfortable on flat land try going up an incline.
^^^^^Thats just the way my dad taught me how to drive a stick when i was younger hope it helps you out some......

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