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I finally got to the track to run the car.
I babied it off the line(i got the 5s tranny) and i am only running 13 psi with 18" tires but overall i had good times. 1/4 mile times were at 14.4 and 14.5 the whole time top speeds were 97 and 98 mph i think if i run it again i am gonna put the stock 15" rims on and turn the boost to about 16-17 and see what happens! I think 13's are easily within reach! DG --------------------  |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 2:53 PM
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Very nice, I went to the track with friends but didnt bring the car, im afraid of blowing the tranny.
16 & 17 is pretty high becareful. Do you have an upgraded clutch? What kind of upgraded turbo are u running. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 29, 2004 - 2:55 PM -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 2:57 PM
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this run was with the stage 1 exedy clutch and stock turbo
the tranny has been great for me so far .... crossing fingers for the long run! -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 3:05 PM
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stock ct26 turbo.. you're not gonna see much gains after you boost it past 10 psi or so
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Aug 29, 2004 - 3:08 PM
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why do you say that? do you have a 3s?
i feel a huge diff from 10 psi to 15 psi so i dont know why you would think that.... -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 3:35 PM
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i would raise boost to 15 psi, maybe add race gas and raise it to a tiny bit more than that... but ive never heard anyone boost more than 15 psi on stock ct 26. i raise my boost from 10 to 14 psi and i loose traction like crazy... so practice before you hit the track.
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Aug 29, 2004 - 5:02 PM
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good job dave!
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Aug 29, 2004 - 6:46 PM
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Be sure to throw in some C-16 in that bitch.
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Aug 29, 2004 - 7:43 PM
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wow, I figured that the celi would run faster then 14.5-14's ... but I guess the whole front wheel kills it.. that almost makes me not wanna do the swap, dosnt seem like its worth it..
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Aug 29, 2004 - 7:43 PM
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wow...14.4- 14.5 is good...
at what rpm did you launch? -------------------- [color=#FF0000] I MISS MY RED BABY =(
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Aug 29, 2004 - 8:19 PM
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I have a buddy with an mr2 who pushes 18psi on a stock ct26 and runs a 13.6. That turbo's gonna be shot soon
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i totally agree with you, my hopes of suping up a cely are pretty much shot now. if im gonna sink big time money into a car its gonna run 11's. but just curious, what are you guys gettin for 0-60. well at least the celica is still better looking than any other fwd car iv ever seen |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 9:19 PM
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You guys, be realistic. He's running the stock setup with a front mount. He hasn't even upgraded the turbo yet. How many cars do you know run 11's. You have no idea what a low 14 sec car feels like. Low fourteens are a good time for a low modified swap. He's running stock tires and it's his first time at the track. With slicks he'll run mid to high 13's which is pretty damn quick. Nice Times Dave. You'll creep down there.
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Aug 29, 2004 - 9:25 PM
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Im not saying its bad, thats a quick car, i was just stating my opinion. if i was going to sink more than 300 into the engine, it would be for a car that has a lot of potential. face it, celicas are fwd, fwd sucks balls. suping up an all-trac or gt-4, now thats awsome. (or an old school RWD celica.....) i think im going to hold off on my engine (besides exhaust) until i get some money for the new x-runner. thats quick but proberly still not 11's even with a couple thousand in the engine.... ill have to save up for a vette with a lingenfelter kit... sigh... 
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Aug 29, 2004 - 9:39 PM
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What you guys watch fast and furious? You do realize most all ur cars run 16+s?
First, he has a tranny with weak, short gearing, so like he said he babied it he didnt launch hard. Now if u've run ur car youll quickly find out how important your launch is. Secondly what does "your not going to see much gains after 10lbs on the CT26? Where the hell did you get this information from? Does all of a sudden the CFMs decrease after 10lbs? Does ne body actually know what CFMs actually mean or how they effect the turbo or are you looking at just pressure, which means less. Dave, I think you should boost up to 15lbs, with 15's and see what happens and if the track isnt to far away maybe launch at 2.5-3K. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 29, 2004 - 9:43 PM -------------------- |
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300? Thats it, thats a Downpipe, thats all. If 300 is your limit you got a sorry surprise ahead of u. -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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i dont expect my car to be fast. i just did the k&n becuase i got a good deal and needed a new filter, im gettin exhuast work done for a better looking muffler, a bit more pep in the high rpms, and a better sound. i wont be sinking more money into my engine besides that. correct me if im wrong, and i might be, but after a certain amount of power with fwd wouldent the tires just spin. so bascailly if u had a 600 hp fwd celica vs a 320 hp wrx wouldnet the wrx whoop up on the celica, becuase he wouldnet even spin his tires? (or alot)
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Aug 29, 2004 - 9:57 PM
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Dont boost to 15 untill you have a tranny than take the abuse. But the swap would still be well worth considering we all spent on average what.....8500 on our cars (spending 3k more is like 12000)thats a good number for stock 14'. I can understand both sides...a swap at minimal mods runs 14's while SuperSprynt said we run 16's if that both on stock motors(close too). spending 3G's on a swap gaining 2+ seconds is what you would expect slightly from a turbo/supercharger slap on(spending about the same) but in DG's case the motor can handle it (minus the tranny). At the same time I can also sympathize with having a stock 5SFE/7AFE and having to order a clip wait and wait then spend more time getting it in and wirring the bitch then needing a new tranny(maybee new mounts) only to run in 14's. But do you guys actually know what driving in a 14second car fells like, I drove my friends SRT-4 for like an hour a week back and it had intake, and B.O.V. and she ran mid 14's and that was a very very fun ride, being able to flick off Mustang GT's on the highway. Anyway 14's is a very nice number, but i see for the trouble it may not be worht it for some people.
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Super, don't gimmie that ****. After 10 psi, the CT26 turbo (non supra model) is out of it's prime efficiency range; you can see this by looking at a compressor graph for one (although; I have NOT seen a compressor graph for the CT26) it's a well known, well documented issue that I kept running into on MR2 boards. Quite simply, he's not going to see much gain past 10 psi; because the turbo can't handle the additional air pressure on the compressor wheel. It's much like how in the 3000GTs, after 6000 rpms the stock boost controller drops the boost level. The issue is SO important, and SO documented; that I made it my first topic in this post: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14345 If you dyno tested the 3sgte at 8 psi, 9 psi, 10 psi, 11 psi; you'd see the gains you make by upping the boost level steadily drop; it's out of it's efficiency level. Picking a turbo thats right for your efficiency level is pretty standard knowledge; for 15 psi the CT26 turbo is simply FAR removed from that. |
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a swaped celica is not the fastest thing in the world. but it is a quick, fun to drive car, and a million times better then a modified GT or ST.
also, having the 3sgte, opens you up to a whole new world of upgrades. with my 5sfe i felt like i went as far as i could go with an intake and an exhaust upgrade, but now that i have a 3s, i feel the sky is the limit. 11 and 10 second cars are very very hard to goals to reach. 90% of alltrac and mr2 owners never reach that level. and remember, a swaped 6th gen is faster the a stock alltrac. shid, i wish i could take you for a ride in my car at 10psi and then crank it up to 15psi.... i think that would change your mind. This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 29, 2004 - 10:19 PM -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Aug 29, 2004 - 10:24 PM
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That's awesome Dave!
 And yeah, mid-14s are pretty quick.  What a lot of you may not realize is that even though it's a fourteen second car, it probably feels faster than that once it's moving. I've ridden in a couple FWD cars that run 14s, and even though they only run 14s at the track because of their traction problems, they are fast, fast cars...once they're moving, both of them feel really fast. I bet that both of those cars(Both Civics, one with a turbo B18-something and one with a built H22A) would beat an EVO or an STI from a roll. Dave, what were your sixty-foot times on your runs? -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Aug 29, 2004 - 10:29 PM
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looks like iam gonna have to finish up the last few things on my car and break 12s for you guys.... sure you can buy a camaro, add 150 shot and intake and headers and break 12s easily, but someof us like our celis and its why we do this..... for a fast car, i would get LS1 camaro on spray, and it would be automatic not stick....
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you wanna take me for a ride an change my mind...
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Aug 29, 2004 - 10:41 PM
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Thanks to celica3sgte, super, xxx, 5sfeturbo, lagos and a few others for all the support. Some of you other guys must not read the full posts or something???
3sgte at 11-13 psi, 5s tranny, 18" regular street tires, and taking it easy off the start should explain it all here but ...... some of you dont realize what all this means!!!! I never launched it, unless you consider starting off at 1500 rpm a launch? by the way for those of you who keep knocking on the boost levels: i have hit 17psi in my car and it will hold there with the stock turbo so it is very possible to run higher boost but....i just dont trust it to run it that way. and like someone else said.... the turbo wont last as long at such a harsh boost. everyone has a right to an opinion..... but i would rather take advise from someone with first hand experience on these issues, than people thinking they know the facts. gains might drop as boost is increases but the key word here is "gains".... you are still gaining power until you hit the point where more boost is = or less than lower boost hp!!!!! right? do you see to point here? basically if I say just to prove a point: 12psi =225 hp 13psi =235 hp 14psi =245 hp 15psi =255 hp 16psi =257hp 17psi= 260hp 18psi= 260hp 17 psi is where i would stop gaining so that is where the turbo is maxxed out at!!!! so there is no point in going to 18psi ... but there is still 2hp diff from 16 -17 so there is still a gain even though it is very minimal. this is what we people with swaps are trying to tell all you other people who are confused or dont understand. hope this clears up some issues, dg This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Aug 29, 2004 - 10:51 PM -------------------- |
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Lagos, I'm not saying that upping the boost isn't going to do anything (it will); but the CT26 is not a properly sized turbo for 15 psi. Say you're making 230hp with the CT26 at 8 psi; then 270 at 15 psi; with a properly sized turbo; (still making 230 at 8), you could make 290 or higher at 15 psi. I'm sure your car is fast, but it's not a matter of my personal opinoion.. so you wouldn't be changing my mind?
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Aug 29, 2004 - 10:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
CT26 Efficiency
Read Read those. You have pitted efficiency against gains. Now your saying that the 3s wont see much gains after 10psi because the CT26 is past its prime efficiency. This is a generalized and subjective statement. What do you mean by much gains? Thats where the subjective part comes in. Your opinion of "much gains" can be different that anothers. But the efficiency of the CT26 increases or decreases with factors like ambient pressure, intercooler etc. etc. Now the STOCK intercooler will allow the CT26 to work fine until 15lbs, and it will not stop producing any sort of gains until after that. Then the problem of hot air can come into play and a more efficient intercooler is needed to cool down that air. -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 10:58 PM
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WE ALL WIN!!! Lets focus on the 1/4 mile time.
 Come on guys its all Love.
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Shid air pressure and CFMs are 2 totally different things. The bigger the turbo the more CFM (cubic feet per min) they can push, the more efficient. Its not really a question of pressure, its a question of at what pressure does the turbo stop producing usable air flow and pressure. The CT26 does this until 15lbs just fine, after that it really cant produce the CFMs at a low enough temperature for the engine to use it effectively. At 15lbs a good intercooler should be used. The reason people upgrade turbos is because a bigger turbo can produce more CFMs across the RPM range. If you have a CT26 pushing 15lbs and have a T4 pushing 15lbs its still 15lbs, its still producing almost the same power at the lower RPMs. But if you get the CT26 to around 5000 RPMs where the turbine isnt pushing enough air the T4 can produce more power because its still pushing just as much air and now the engine is working harder producing more power. Thus the gap between the turbos can be seen. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 29, 2004 - 11:25 PM -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 11:06 PM
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yeah shid, i know what you are trying to say, but having a theory and owning a 3sgte are 2 different things.
dave, i wouldnt run your car at 17psi. there are a lot of guys that go to the tracking with this type of thinking and dont make it home. haha id say 15psi max.....later model mr2s had fuel cut raised to 16psi on the same 2nd gen motor, so you should be ok up to that point but not boyond it. also, see if you can buy race gas before running it again... oh, and scan your time slip for us! -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Aug 29, 2004 - 11:07 PM
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Thank you for not making me ask what CFM meant.
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Shid not to be a jackass or anything but you have no idea what you are talking about. First of all PSI has nothing to do with the limits or life of a turbo...its the pressure ratio that determines its limits. You shouldn't automatically assume what people say is true.
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good job dave ! put some slicks on those 15inch wheels.
I have been in dg's car..... stock boost would make you 8itches say holysh:t. but what do I know ? I would love to see some more track times DEF --------------------  I will return one day. |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 11:31 PM
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Yeah i forgot to say great job dave. 13 seconds is easily in reach..and that is f'ing flying!!! an 11 second car is such a fast 'n furious comment... having an 11 second car is almost guarenteeing that you have no streetablility...its all track. What fun is driving a car that sucks on the street?
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Aug 29, 2004 - 11:35 PM
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I was at the track with a couple friends running their cars. I have a friend with a 95? Mustang GT. Full exhaust, GT40 intake manifold. Now this is a V8 and he ran a 14.36.
I have another friend with a 93 Civic hatch Si with exhaust and intake and he ran a 15.8. I have a short video of a 70's something or other I forget running an 8.9. -------------------- |
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Aug 29, 2004 - 11:44 PM
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heh, all the evos i have seen at the track run high 14's and low 15's. i myself ran a 14.7, and i was doing very soft launches(i'd like to preserve my drive train). practise makes perfect. i should be hitting low 14's with my mods and some regard for the drivetrain(launching harder, but not that hard.) got a friend that boosts 17psi on a stock wrx wagon and does 6krpm dumps to launch, needless to say he runs high 13's you could have all the power in the world, but still only run 14's, its up to the driver and how much he cares for his drivetrain. btw, those of you that think 14's are slow, ever been in a low 14 second car? from my experience, a low 14 second turbo fwd car accelerates like a low 13 second car from a roll. they are fun as hell. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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no, he is right about the early failure thing. running a oem turbo, designed to run at 8psi, at 16psi, you are making it work harder put more strain on anything, and it will give out earlier -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 30, 2004 - 3:42 AM
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If you read that post that Super posted you'll understand that psi is one of the factors in determining pressure ratio... yes by turning up boost you are increasing pressure ratio... but it isn't the only factor, there are ways to offset that high amount of boost.
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Aug 30, 2004 - 6:58 AM
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lol, how come my car ran 14.01 and it didnt bring up such a long post.... anyway, i did the same , 14.4 (my friend ran the 14.0) ... it was my first time at the track too... but with 3rd gen lsd tranny i launched it (spun)... because i cant drive and i have ****ty tires...
i put on 15s , they were 205s vs my 225s but they were drag radials from my friends neon and smoked every car that was out there... srt-4 with few mods, sentra SER on spray (that beat the srt-4) , Pontiac GTP on SPRAY (that beat an STI), didnt get to race the STI , but went up against a turbo cavalier and killed it... and this is all in a row... like i lined up ... raced a car, beat it, and i came back to starting line to find another car, and another, plus like 2 re-runs... all of them got smoked with decent tires launching at 11psi switching to 15 PSI at 3rd gear. all UNTUNED. anyway, as a race car... the 3sgte powered celica dominates FWD cars 1/4 mile and highway wise with the right tires and driver. i think the 3sgte has the biggest stock turbo of any 4 cyl engine. as for turning up the boost.... just get water injection and/or race gas... if you can get your car tuned, that would be awesome... just go street racing for a while, learn to drive... and then head over to the track ... and when you blow your turbo, upgrade it to a 60-1 or any of the nice mr2 trubo kits out there, they have allot for 2nd gens. for the launch, learn to work the gas pedal... with decent tires, do a low spin.... maintain the low spin threw out first and 2nd gear, and then when you hit 3rd floor it and turn up the boost if you have that option. sorry for blablering, ive been out all nite racing and its 7am and i just got home and i gotta get to school by 9 am Mina |
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The SR20DET I believe has a bigger turbo than both the 2nd & 3rd Gen 3s's.
The 60mm trim would be pointless I wouldnt go above 52 on teh ct26. -------------------- |
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Aug 30, 2004 - 7:12 AM
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okay, only 1 engine soo far, not bad...
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Aug 30, 2004 - 9:30 AM
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just change the turbo man, youll regret it otherwise in terms of performance
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i've seen plenty of ct26's and they look to be a little bigger than the turbos on sr20 engines i have seen well, both look big when compaired to the turbo on my WRX -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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props dave
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Every year of the SR20DET blacktop and redtop the A/R ratio of the turbine housing its .64mm, the CT26 is .49, considerably smaller. -------------------- |
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 good job man...im sure with a harder launch and lighter wheels w/sickys, you'd be into the 13's!man,..i need BOOOOOOST..dave, wanna do a harness for me??
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Aug 31, 2004 - 12:27 AM
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When I ran at the track, boost levels from the ct26 would drop for 15 psi to 13psi. However, you have to understand that having a big FMIC adds a pressure drop. Therefore the turbo is working harder and actually pushing 17psi and it's falling off like crazy. My stock ct26 could consistently hold 13 psi.
I just switched to a t3/t4 setup. The 3sgte has much potential. If you are looking for 11's go buy an inline 6 and dump another 5k into it. For the potential, price, and being FWD you can't beat the 3sgte swap. You'll have close to the same 1/4 mile time on a FWD car for less than half the price. |
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Aug 31, 2004 - 6:13 PM
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yea, an old civic with the h22 swap would Probably be in the same area speed wise, but I see swaped hondas Everywhere. Celicas are different.
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Aug 31, 2004 - 8:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
DG:: 13-16psi on a 3sgte w/ gt tranny? how much hp can a s54 tranny hold exactly.. couple of shops such as Elprototype told me that s54 is only good for about 200whp.. i mean.. how did you pull it off, running 15 psi and all?
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ah, never saw the turbine housings heat shields in the way, nor did i bother to look into it further -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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i did not do anything special to the car to run it as it is right now? i just dont beat on my car every day and run it into the ground like some other people might after getting excited about all the new power.
like i said..... i eased off the line and then got on it at the track. i just try to take care of my car as best i can i guess? and i dont know how but my boost will hold fine at 17psi so???? it was a cold night the time i did it but i dont plan on running 17 psi again any time soon . dg -------------------- |
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Ok - I'm not naming names but we have an 5th gen alltrac and a 6th gen GT2 in our club and both are stock (obviously the GT2 isn't but there have been no upgrades to the engine - MR2 tranny though). The alltrac is very fast - much faster than my GT lightly modded low mileage. However the GT2 has proven it's ability to smoke Turbo Supras in the quarter mile by 2 car lengths or more (the Supra's are stock to lightly modded and well driven by people who know their cars). I'm not sure what his times are but the 3s swap is sooo worth it - mines coming very soon. You guys can get discouraged if you want but after seeing a GT2 in action with a great driver, I can say that the GT4/alltrac has too much lag due to power loss in the drive train. I'll take a GT2 anyday. And your never going to get an 11 sec car if 300 seems like to much to waste for you. Have fun with your "slow" cars. --------------------  |
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Sep 1, 2004 - 8:35 PM
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Heh... both you guys make it sound like 11 seconds is a very easily attainable number... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Sep 1, 2004 - 8:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
People would be talking differently if it was their swapped car they had to worry about the tranny in. Congrats man thats an awesome time. People talk big when its not their money... upgrade the tranny, the turbo, **** why not just drop in a 6 cyl. P.s. Slow... is determined by the user. Personaly, I find 14's very fast. Actualy... all you 11 second cars are slow, because there are 9 second cars, so enjoy your slow cars
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Sep 2, 2004 - 1:09 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hahahha... true true... i think 14's is fast.... the people who think is slow just never been in a 14s sec. car before... keep in mind its a motor from what? 90-92? i think its still up to date when it comes to speed when comparing to turbo cars now a day.. such as the wrx, srt4, etc... i mean don't those car run 14s? and don't they cost 25,000 grand? i built my car for less than 10,000 including the car itself and its so worth it.. and those who want to do 11s.. go to the 1/8 track...
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Sep 2, 2004 - 1:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '03 From lakewood, ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
for all those thinking 14s is slow you guys are pretty dumb. i'm doing a 5s turbo and i'm hoping to be in the low 15's or mid 15's and that's quick to me. do you even know what your talking about to be hitting 11 seconds. seriously you guys need to consider the fact what little work he has done to the engine and to still be able to hit 14's. congrats on the time and for the other peps talking about they're disappointed with the swap they need to have one to be able to talk cause i've been in one and it is fast.
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Sep 2, 2004 - 7:07 AM
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yeah if you're driving in a straigfht line!
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Sep 2, 2004 - 4:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 28, '04 From Houston, Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Very true. The GT4 will out perform the GT2 in cornering. However has anyone come across a turn the could not take in their american domestic market GT? I have picture of my car's gauge cluster hitting 133MPH @ 7000RPM's (yes I was bouncing off the rev limiter at that point - had to take several shots to catch it at 7000) on a banked "s" curve located near my house. Several friends witnessed it and were amazed at how flat the car was during the turn and how smooth and effortless it was inside (I had one friend inside). So unless you are planning to take some seriously sick corners I think the FWD is just fine. This is just my .02 and no I don't feel like going thru the hassle of proving it to anyone on this site. If you want proof - hit me up on www.houstontoyotaclub.com - several of the witnesses regularly post there and one even hit it at 132MPH in a 7TH gen GTS 6-speed to try to break my record. My record still stands! -------------------- |
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Sep 3, 2004 - 8:34 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Your comparing a stock 135hp GT to a ST185 or ST205 and you think the GT has any chance to compete, at all?
I havent come across any turns I couldnt take, however I had to slow down considerably to take them, IMO the GT has a very crappy suspension. Now I havent driven an ST185 and def. not an ST205 but I haven driven AWD cars before and the fact that they are AWD makes a gigantic difference. You took a banked turn at 133mph by ur house? Now I dont wanna get into the stupidity of this move on local roads but hell thats one weak ass turn, take a pic of it I'd like to see. The ST185/ST205 will do nothing less than own a GT on every aspect of driving, no matter if its a crappy driver or not. Stock suspension has poor body roll IMO and I'm actually looking to stiffen it up considerably because I'm so unhappy with it. Also, I maybe jaded by the 350z suspension and my friends 2.5RS suspension (real suspensions) but my GTs (1.75''drop/215mm tires) is mediocre. I'm confused when you say that the GT-Four/Alltrac has too much lag due to power loss of the AWD setup. Is this turbo lag or what, its vague. I'd like to see the vid of a GT(2) outlaunching an ST185. -------------------- |
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Sep 3, 2004 - 9:50 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '04 From Hollywood, MD Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
i know in maryland at the track if your under 14 second quarter mile your sposed to wear a helmet at the track and if your under 12 you have to have a rollcage/helmet both or your disqualified.
14 seconds is hella fast, im not gonna bother trying to find who said it wasnt fast cause i dont want to flame them personally , but im pretty sure they are a moron. |
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Sep 3, 2004 - 6:17 PM
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i think he is refering to the hp loss due to the fact that its AWD. any engine will have more whp in a 2wd than in a AWD setup. |
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Sep 4, 2004 - 7:25 AM
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then you need to come to england my friend and ill show you some proper roads!! -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Exactly. -------------------- |
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Sep 8, 2004 - 11:06 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 28, '04 From Houston, Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I'd love to - can I borrow your GT4? Actually - do they have places there where you can rent GT4's. That would be cool. We have places here where you can rent anything from an original HumV to a Ferrari to a Supra TT. Course it's so expensive I've never actually done it but would be fun. -------------------- |
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Sep 8, 2004 - 12:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
while a lot of American roads are for the most part straight there are two roads withing 3 miles of my house that are about 30 miles long with only 1/8 mile long straight aways used for passing lanes every 7-10 miles. stock usdm celica handles very well but it does have too much body roll. it needs bigger swaybars, just like my WRX, the rear sway bar is puny on my car. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 8, 2004 - 1:16 PM
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is 6th gen and 5th gen sway bar the same?
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Sep 8, 2004 - 1:34 PM
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my stock body roll isn't bad at all.....just lowered no other suspension upgrades at all.....
but celica cornering vs wrx handling = celica would win.... i took a wrx last night on a left turn exit ramp that was long sweeper.....i was on the outside he/she was on the inside and i flew around him/her |
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Sep 10, 2004 - 6:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 28, '04 From Houston, Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Agreed - I own on my friend's WRX in the corners all the time. Of course the turbo really makes up for it and he usually comes out on top. Oh well I'll be 3s soon enough. Not done playing with the 5s yet though. BTW - mine just has the Eibach Sportline drop and the stock strut tower brace (had to add it because the '99's didn't get them to improve the ride quality for housewives etc. - my '95 had it and that was the first thing I noticed when I got my new one - really sucks in the corners without one - I have the TRD one also but it gets in the way of sparkplug replacement which I do at least twice a year and it makes almost no difference from the stock one) at the moment. ALL CELICAS handle beautifully when compared to other cars - we are just all spoiled. Let one of your friends drive your car and they will rave about the handling I bet. -------------------- |
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Sep 10, 2004 - 11:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
as of this moment, my celica ST handles better than my wrx, mainly because the stock tires are so crappy. also, the front sway bar is almost twice as thick as the rear sway bar. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 11, 2004 - 1:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '03 From Miami, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
uzthedentist , your car is not a coupe.. can the admins correct all these guys with gt-4 coupes... or am i an ass , and the gt-4 comes in a coupe... i was positive it only came hatchback... i remember going threw the so called "GT4 Coupes" and finding only hatchbacks and coupes with 3s swaps..
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Sep 11, 2004 - 4:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
yea gt-4 came in hatchback only
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Sep 11, 2004 - 3:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 28, '04 From Houston, Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I don't think so - from what I could tell when we were replacing my friends from a junk yard the 5Th gen bolt pattern is different and is thicker than the 6th gen's. Other than that they looked identical - same bends in the same places etc. -------------------- |
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Sep 11, 2004 - 3:35 PM
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hatchbacks are often called coupes in the uk. hence the misunderstanding. |
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Sep 11, 2004 - 7:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
Negative is right... the bar is deffinetly thicker cause i was gonna take the one off the clip i had and try to use it.
never got to get to that b4 i trashed the clip. -------------------- |
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Sep 11, 2004 - 8:07 PM
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you rule dg This post has been edited by Andason: Sep 11, 2004 - 8:07 PM -------------------- i am awesome
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Sep 11, 2004 - 9:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 20, '04 Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
so would a swapped 5th gen handling be better then a 6th gen |
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Sep 11, 2004 - 9:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i remember watching the initial d movie...and the gt4 was a COUPE... unless that's a fake or whatever -Ryu- -------------------- [color=#FF0000] I MISS MY RED BABY =(
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Not necessarily... the bar is thicker cause the car is much heavier... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 21, '04 From united kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nope never seen a place where you can hire gt4s. Although there are rally days where you can drive modified imprezas on the rally track mina in the uk 3 doors are called coupes. the celica is a coupoe as is the 350z. The hyundai tiburon is called the hyundai coupe over here lol. from the toyota website Introducing the Celica Distinctive, sleek and exciting, the Toyota Celica as been designed for those who appreciate quality styling with performance and handling to match. A 2+2 sports coupé - in every sense, it has been specifically engineered to deliver power and stability, together with excellent fuel consumption, a comfortable ride and a surprising amount of space. Whichever of the two engines you choose, you'll be rewarded with a driving experience that's totally satisfying. The Celica - unmistakably individual. £16,645 to £21,145...  From the mazda website
 and from the vauxhall website:
  and the citroen website
  still wanna call ytour car a hatchback? lol This post has been edited by uzthedentist: Sep 12, 2004 - 4:53 PM -------------------- GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!
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Sep 12, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thats it....my car's a coupe now..jk
i honestly could care less if people call my car a hatch or a coupe.. but gt4s does come in coupes...initial d says so
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Sep 13, 2004 - 1:41 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok, back on topic. besides its technically a "latchback"
thats a great time DG, i ran my car yesterday, and when i bogged i ran a 14.5 and a 14.6, when i got a fairly better start at 3K i ran a 14.1, with plenty of room to improve. so looks like we both have great baseline numbers to improve on what kind of problems are you having if any? ive got 4 things that i know will drastically improve my times 1)practice, that was my first time drag racing ever 2)heat soak, if i get a new IC and fab up a heat shield around the turbo that will improve things alot 3) im still runing the factory primary cat and a 2.5" exhaust, i plan on getting a TKO 3" downpipe and dual exhaust. that should open things up big time. 4) tuning, still on the stock computer with no tuning whatsoever... that will change things big time. --------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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