The 5sfTe thread, Lets see what you've got. Options

[1bwilson]

Well, Im just about to get my car back from the shop after about 5 weeks not having it. Ive been so depressed by not being able to drive my car that Ive almost given up on boosting my car. So I need some inspiration to continue the project. Post your settups, plans, questions and anything else dealing with the 5sfTe here. Please do not post "Get a 3sgte" comments in this thread. Thank you.

[Charlie97L]

Hey man, well I bet it works better than my 7afte did :-D muahahahahaha. and i bet it's faster... hoo boy been a while since i've been on here.

This post has been edited by Charlie97L: Sep 2, 2004 - 3:24 PM

[x_itchy_b_x]

i jsut got my act clutch in. Mmmm. the car pulls hard now. no slippage. as soon as u lift the clutch it wants to go. im running 10psi. dont give me blah blah ur break ur motor. i consistantyl check the plugs for color. have the guages to monitor things. the car really loves the boost.

[tigernate29]

Well, it's not a 5sfTe, but I'm getting my 7afTe done saturday. My car's been on jackstands for about two weeks straight, so I'm anxious to get mine back too. I plan on running about 8 PSI. How much do you plan on running?

[shid]

Hey wilson, I made a 5sfte sticky thread while you were gone

[lagos]

x_itchy_b_x, how many miles have you put on your car with the turbo on? im still amazed that you report no problems with your setup. either you did something right, or its just a matter of time till something goes wrong....who knows, keep us update tho!

[x_itchy_b_x]

it had 89k when it when under the knife im at 96k now so its showing good so far. DAM and tonight i can rip through 3rd like amazing i love new clutches that dont slip!! its heaven on earth.

[Redline_Racer]

Dont lose sight of the prize man! you are an inspiration to guys like me who want to boost and not swap!....if I had a hat on I would take it off to you man.


-Brandon


umm just how much money have you spent on your project? just curious

[x_itchy_b_x]

[Redline_Racer]

only 1400!? I figured it would cost around 2,000 or so... hmmmm

-Brandon

[Jaws4God]

I haven't done much to my engine yet, but I have plans to turbo it! I just need to get some money. But only having 99 horsepower at the wheels is not enough for me.

[NEVERSTOP]

bwilison or xitchy.. either of you guys got spare green tops left over?? cuz I want em

Im/PM me

[x_itchy_b_x]

least u can cook eggs on it while working its so clean.

NEVERSTOP. srry no spares

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Sep 2, 2004 - 11:36 PM

[1bwilson]

Ive got spares but its 2 yellow and 2 green... Check www.thepartstrader.com for the injectors, you can find good deals there. If you got the time junk yards have tons of old NA supras but its going to be a pain digging them out.

Shid, I saw your post and think its really good, great links. I dont think you give the ct-26 enough credit tho.

Ive spent WAY to much on my setup. $500 P&P, $2500 rebuild, $700 bottom end. Thats not including the turbo tools.
When I get the car back I'll give it about a thousand mules to get the rings to settle and then try to finally get the kit on. Anyone running a KO downpipe? I have one and think its going to hit the AC compresser......Thoughts?

Charlie??????? Hows the masda? I want to see pics!!

[Charlie97L]

it's great man, i'm thinking about selling it tho, seeing as i'm moving back to the DC area, where there is winter, and i finally have made some progress on the gt4, it's going into the shop this week for about 3 months, and i was to focus solely on it for awhile, and that darn mazda is so distracting because there are SO many parts out there for it. i'll post some pics up later today.

This post has been edited by Charlie97L: Sep 3, 2004 - 8:53 AM

[1bwilson]

[NEVERSTOP]

okay so which is the proper injector type then for the 5sfte?? the yellow or greens cuz I keep hearing differnent answers..

sorry if it's a little off topic but trying to get this answered ASAP - thanks

[x_itchy_b_x]

yellowish green...

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Sep 3, 2004 - 11:42 AM

[NEVERSTOP]

so these are the wrong ones then correct?

bwilison.. how much you want for your two spare green/yellowish greens?

[jayi12-15psi]

I wouldn't do business with him if I were you

[1bwilson]

[jayi12-15psi]

free? wow thats a pretty good deal, I bought 2 from him over a year ago for 60 bucks, yeah they came in the mail a few weeks ago.

but as long as there free, sounds like a deal.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

So Itchy, how is highway driving with the turbo setup?? I know that at around 70mph my tach is at 3.5k RPMS....so is constantly boosting taking a toll on the engine whatsoever? I would only consider boosting the 5SFE if it was going to be reliable, but that could be a gamble on a car with 160,000 miles I suppose. But you never know, it might work fine since I just got a tune up earlier this spring.

I wish you lived closer, then I would have you take me for a ride to experience it first hand.

[x_itchy_b_x]

nah while crusing ur not boosting. i cruise at 4k doing 80mph. and no boost just vaccum so its like being N/A

[lagos]

yeah...its kind of funny how a turbo works.... you could be at 5,000rpm and still not generate any boost. you have to floor it, or give it plenty of gas for the turbo to spool up and hit boost.

[1bwilson]

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

[shid]

[1bwilson]

Your not going to get a turbo to boost before its stock time, or if you do its not going to be happy. For quicker boost/ less lag Id go with as little piping as possible and maybe only a 2" diam pipe.

[NEVERSTOP]

one of you guys need to take a pic of the coolant/oil lines and how you ran them.....

PLEASE!!!!!!

Thanks

[pxcr440]

just i good thought if you dont want to get scared with the turbo 5s make sure you restrict the oil on the oil feed cause its to much pressure and seels well leak when you rev to make boost and you get some nice smoke , itchy and myself had the exactly same effect from it and it scares you but all is well just lower the pressure and you should be fine

[NEVERSTOP]

yea have talked to itchy and you about that.. just want to see pics of how you guys ran everything... thatway I can improve on the design

[97sccelica]

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

[1bwilson]

[x_itchy_b_x]

i had to make custom oil lines from the start so i used steal brake line. the rason i had to make the lines was because i have a supra single entry turbo so it had supra oil lines. i just put a few crimps in the steel line with pliers. i started the car to make sure oil was still coming out. and its fine. and has been fine for awile.

[NEVERSTOP]

what about using the water bypass pipe and the water outlet junction off the 3sgte?? I have them and thing it would work fine. It looks like there is only one extra sensor opening on the 3sgte one otherwise its basically the same.. would have to reroute a few hoses but oh well.. that would take care of the coolant lines to the turbo and would reroute the radiator inlet hose nicely.

the only problem I can come up with it one just a visiual inspections is that on the water bypass pipe on the 3s there is and extra pipe that runs under it that is welded on that runs coolant lines to the rear of the block.. the 5sfe does not have this as far as I can tell so I would have to cap them off somehow and hope It doesnt come loose.

here is what I am talking about... these are from the Toyota Repair manual for the 5th gen so the 5sfe is slightly different but basics parts are the same.

3sgte



5sfe



this doesnt help with the oil lines but would help a little. I diffently think this would work unless I am missing something major here.. the only thing I can think of is the bypass pipes not mounting to the water pump.. and the oil cooler lines which run in/out on the 5s where the 3s it runs in off the bypass and out into the pump... see diagrams. I could fix this my swapping the oil cooler and water pump to the 3s one.

would still like to know how the oil inlet pipe was run... like detailed instruct or pic perferably.

[x_itchy_b_x]

nice

[1bwilson]

I just got my car back from the shop from the complete rebuild. Its running nicely. I have a grand total of 25 miles on the motor. Im going to do a oil change at 500 miles and then one at 1500 and alls good I'll be putting the turbo on the car soon.

[NEVERSTOP]

$60 bucks shipped

mr2oc is awesome

Oring kits should be here tomorrow or the next day

[1bwilson]

They are really good guys. I like that site alot.

[x_itchy_b_x]

my friend wanted to use my MBC as a template to make there own like i did. but when i got mine back and puit it on i was boosting at 14 psi!!!
was CRAZY i was so scared as soon as i noticed it pull harder than normal i looked at hte guage and let off the guage instantly. Mmm i want more boost.

hi im john and im a boost addict.

[celicarocker]

[NEVERSTOP]

hehe

One step closer.. tryin the Air Press reg Idea that I had.. might work.. might not... well see... think I will have to bump up to larger piping though...

? for you 5sfte guys.. how did you connect your oil lines to the intlet line on the turbo.. like an special fitting?

Thanks
NEVER

[1bwilson]

I like that alot!!!! Very well done.

[x_itchy_b_x]

yeah thats awesome. um hope it works out oil leaks suck. it should work thogh looks nice. yeah we cut the line out of the tock flange then tapped the holes to make those brass fittings thread in. then welded them in once they were in.

[ice23q]

i am using red injectors from a 4agze......have had no probs and runs real smooth

[Akimbo]

You guys have some awesome projects there.

[1bwilson]

[x_itchy_b_x]

[rjbibeau]

[NEVERSTOP]

[NEVERSTOP]

hehehe one step closer... beads needs to be cleaned up and everything painted but u get the idea

[x_itchy_b_x]

Mmm.

[Irishflame27]

lookin awesome Never!

[x_itchy_b_x]

current engine pic

[NEVERSTOP]

Looks great itchy! thats almost identical to the layout I have for me IC piping

Heres what I got done last weekend for the turbo project... basically freed up some room in the engine bay for piping and for the cold air box im working on.. did this by relocating the battery to the trunk.. was pretty easy.. used a set of jumper cables for the battery lines and some non fused distribution blocks for the terminals.. works good but need a stronger battery.. the "ECONOMY" just isnt cuttin it for me

newayz heres some pics







and here is the absolute safest and cheapest method of turboing your celica!



HAHAHHHAHHAHHA

[1bwilson]

That looks good, Thats the same thing Im doing with my batt. Where did you get the distro blocks? What gauge are they?

My motor is about to turn 500 miles tomorrow so Im going to be doing the first oil change on it to see if everything is clean, no metal shavings. Then its on to the 1000 mile road test and then another oil change.

500 miles and I havent poped a rod, 3sgte rods do fit 5sfe pistons with some mods to the crank.

[x_itchy_b_x]

1bwilson. ur 5sfte is gonne be a REAL insane motor done right in every way. awesome. Never any updates?

[1bwilson]

Im going to be doing my oil filter re-locater tomorrow and then maybe my batt re-locate also. I'll try and get pics of it when I finnish. 700 miles and still running. I think I'm going to do a comp check also. Never done one.... any suggestions on how?

[1bwilson]

Damn rain......maybe tomorrow.

[1bwilson]

Sucks, Ive had the car back for like 2 months and I only have 877 miles on the engine.

At this rate I'll never put everything on.

[Punch]

the black one are the ones you shouhd use they come on the turbo 3s-gte & 7m-gte

[NEVERSTOP]

hey ne of you guys have the hard lines that bolt up to the turbo assembly for the coolant and oil lines?

I need em and too lazy to get em threw toyota

newayz I now have everything besides IC couplers, the two hardlines I mentioned before, a few gaskets and an adaptor for my msd6a - gotta finish fitting the pipes etc but thats this weekend and gotta make my plexi airbox then im done... but gonna prolly hold of on turboin it until end of winter cuz I gotta do some maitance type stuff to the celi 1st


HEHE


Edit: did have a ?... I know that if you order a head gasket from toyota now they will give you the metal one.. did ne of the celicas come stock with the metal head gasket? I ask cuz I got a 99 and really dont wanna tear apart the motor just to find a perfectly good metal headgasket

This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Nov 24, 2004 - 4:42 AM

[ice23q]

havent posted for ages.....sorry..
my set up has been a bloody dream (touch wood).... i did everything Bwilson said in his to do list, plus a new computer. i have done around
6000kms with it..changed the oil twice....still not got a IC but thats next on my list.....its gonna be 800x300x78mm........niiiicccce

[1bwilson]

havent posted for ages.....sorry..
my set up has been a bloody dream (touch wood).... i did everything Bwilson said in his to do list, plus a new computer. i have done around
6000kms with it..changed the oil twice....still not got a IC but thats next on my list.....its gonna be 800x300x78mm........niiiicccce
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Glad to see your car is still running well. Your settup looks real nice.

Never, I have hard lines but will be putting them to use . Check mr2OC someone should have a set cheap.

[NEVERSTOP]

Never, I have hard lines but will be putting them to use  . Check mr2OC someone should have a set cheap.

Yea was gonna drop a WTB over there but had heard the site was down for a while or something due to fraudulent (sp?) sellers or some stuff like that - LOL maybe I should just try

I got a buddy that works for a car dealership and gets toyota parts for REALLY cheap so might have him price em out also... idunno.. I need struts 1st

[presure2]

hey never, you gotta let us know who that oil feed setup works, that looks REAL nice.
ohh and BTW, the oil hardlines list for about 55 from toyota, with your friends discount it'll prolly be worth it to just buy the new one.

This post has been edited by presure2: Nov 25, 2004 - 9:44 AM

[x_itchy_b_x]

club 5sfte lol. sumone find me a cheapo T3

[NEVERSTOP]

hey never, you gotta let us know who that oil feed setup works, that looks REAL nice.
ohh and BTW, the oil hardlines list for about 55 from toyota, with your friends discount it'll prolly be worth it to just buy the new one.

Yea I can get the oil line for 41$ threw him.. but still think I could find a good used one for around 20$

Nice thing is the gaskets are REALLY cheap threw him

as for the oil feed setup I really hope it works.. I need to figure out what the oil PSI is for the 3sgte feed so I can make sure I am running the same - think im gonna rebuild the thing though and go with same sized pipe as the 3sgte feed line

[macavely]

i have a question for you guys that completed the installs and tuning...

have any of you used aftemarket injectors? .. and have any of you had to remove your CruseControl.. cause it looks like it might be in theway... sorry if there questions have been asked and answered already.. but i just don't feel like looking

[presure2]

interested in makeing copys of that thing???

as for the oil feed setup I really hope it works.. I need to figure out what the oil PSI is for the 3sgte feed so I can make sure I am running the same - think im gonna rebuild the thing though and go with same sized pipe as the 3sgte feed line

[1bwilson]

interested in makeing copys of that thing??? 

as for the oil feed setup I really hope it works.. I need to figure out what the oil PSI is for the 3sgte feed so I can make sure I am running the same - think im gonna rebuild the thing though and go with same sized pipe as the 3sgte feed line

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[1bwilson]

i have a question for you guys that completed the installs and tuning...

have any of you used aftemarket injectors? ..  and have any of you had to remove your CruseControl.. cause it looks like it might be in theway... sorry if there questions have been asked and answered already.. but i just don't feel like looking
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The CC is in the way. When I relocate the batt Im just going to swing it over.

As for injectors, there are several upgrades from other cars we can use instead of buying expencive aftermarket ones.

[1bwilson]

Like the new sig?

Oh and 1,030 miles.

This post has been edited by 1bwilson: Dec 3, 2004 - 3:39 PM

[presure2]

LOVE the sig brian...can i be a junior member???? hehe
anyway, any updates on the oil lines matt? i read a REALLY cool postlink to thread over @ celicatech.com from trance4c(clayton) about how he was gonna use this greddy oil tree to feed his oil pressure gauge because its a much better point to feed from...got me to thinking about maybe this would be an option for us to use as a feed point to the turbo? its relitivly cheap, (about 60 from optionsauto.com) and it *seems* like a good idea..what do you guys think...the only thing i can see as a problem is i REALLY like matts idea of a regulator to control the pressure, and i dont know if it could take the heat being in that area.
heres a pic of the oil tree

oohhh and i got my injectors back from rc engineering a couple weeks ago, i gotta tell you guys, i am SO glad i sent them out, WELL worth the 115$ total it cost to have them cleaned, flow tested and balanced. 2 of the 4 injectors i sent them were bad, one was spraying @about 65% the other wasnt even spraying, it was DRIPPING!!!
they sent me back a nice printout with all the before and after readings, nicely packaged and all that good stuff..turnaround was like 10 buisness days, but thats cross contry via usps also, so i found that quite good.
overall im VERY happy with them, i'd recommend them to anyone who has a question about theyre injectors, or just wants to be on the safe side, like me.
:::EDIT after reading thru the bgb, the oil pressure for both the 5s and 3s are the same, they both call for @ least 4.3psi @ idle, and 36-71psi @ 3000 rpm.
the banjo bolt that goes thru the stock oil feed line bolts to the block, (like the top fuel filter bolt)..i wonder if its just a matter of running the same size line as the feed, or of the banjo bolt creates a restriction in the flow...

This post has been edited by presure2: Dec 4, 2004 - 12:34 PM

[1bwilson]

That looks really good. I like the idea of not having to T off the feed line from the sensor. I'll have to look more into it for my aplication.

I wish Id have gone to RC before I installed my injectors.... Maybe I'll pick up a extra set and send them out. There only like $40 at thepartstrader.com

Sigs are free to anyone willing to hear out the word of the 5sfTe. Dont have to be running one just have to believe in them I hope it will start a trend and quiet down some of the haters.

This post has been edited by 1bwilson: Dec 4, 2004 - 6:49 PM

[turboinduction]

club 5sfte lol. sumone find  me a cheapo T3
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Rephrased in car terms:
"Can sumone find me a cheapo Ferrari"

If your going this route do a T3/T4 Hybrid. Thats what i'm doi---- wait Shhhhh.

-Ti

[1bwilson]

If your going this route do a T3/T4 Hybrid.  Thats what i'm doi---- wait Shhhhh.

-Ti
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[turboinduction]

If your going this route do a T3/T4 Hybrid.  Thats what i'm doi---- wait Shhhhh.

-Ti
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::Cough:: to4e ::Cough::
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::Cough:: Turbonectics T3 Turbine in a T04E Compressor ::Cough:: Flawless

High Instant Boost - I love life!

-Ti

[x_itchy_b_x]

i havent posted in awhile. but yeah. go 5sfte's lol and for the turbo i think im gunna use a shop vaccum...

[1bwilson]

lol, why not use a ct20b?

[Punch]

or get your ct26 rebuilt or mechined out to fit a 60-1 inlet fan
i've seen it done.

[presure2]

60-1 compressor side = LAG

[doGGy]

why arent you guys using T3/T4 ? just reflange your 3S header, and you will have really good response and good turbo...

Or maybe i shoulod build header for 5S ?

[1bwilson]

why arent you guys using T3/T4 ? just reflange your 3S header, and you will have really good response and good turbo...

Or maybe i shoulod build header for 5S ?
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Hehe good idea.

[1bwilson]

Thought I'd bring this back up due to all the 5sfTe talk.

Im almost 3k miles into the break in period and all knock i had at the start has gone away. the motor runs like a charm and is begging for boost. Solid 500 RPM idle

[presure2]

DO IT bryan!!! hahah

[1bwilson]

i got 2 thousand more miles for the recomended "Break in" period left. I also have to collect a few odds and ends for the settup. Wide band O2 EGT re gasket the turbo and Jet coat the manifold.

[x_itchy_b_x]

dew wit

[urbandork]

n e one have a diagram of how to run the oil lines?

[presure2]

urbandork Posted Today, 04:12 AM
n e one have a diagram of how to run the oil lines?

the oil lines are pretty easy man, the feed you get from the head, the return goes to the oil pan..
you can T into the head with a 1/8-28BSPT T fitting, right at the oil pressure sending unit, the only thing with that is that with a brass T and the heavy sending unit hanging off it, there is a chance of the T cracking on you.
what i chose to do to avoid that, is to use a 1/8-28 BSPT to -4AN fitting for the head, then a 4an to 3an reducer to get to the 3an line size that im gonna use.
since you cant get 3AN hose ends, im having a custom 3an feed line made up by www.atpturbo.com then having a 3an fitting welded to the stock ct oil feed line, and tapping into my oil filter relocation kit for the factory oil pressure sending unit, and adding another for my oil pressure gauge.
for the return, im having a -12AN fitting welded onto the factory line, and using a 3s oil pan with the fitting from www.koracing.net that screws right into where the factory bung is for the factory rubber hose, but with stainless braided.
feel free to hit me up on AIM if you have any questions man, happy to help
AIM presure2

[1bwilson]

Alright, Manny Im sure youve looked into this because, youve looked into everything...

Whats a good WB O2 settup?

[presure2]

theres actually a few, brian...its a matter of what features you want and what you wanna spend...i cant remember all the details of them right now, still actually have some researching to do on the diffrent brands...
but so far, im looking at the zeitronix unit,it runs about 279 or so, and the plx M-300, which runs about 315...theres also the LM-1...and im sure a bunch of others that i havent mentioned...AEM makes one..havent heard anything good about it tho.
ill let you know what i end up getting when the time comes, work has been real slow latley (always is this time of year) so the project is a bit of a "holding" pattern right now, cause i cant afford to pick up more parts. but that should change over the next couple months and ill be up and running..
on another note,...i been looking into the Perfect Power SMT-6 www.perfectpower.com its basicly a fuel/timing piggyback...its got some really cool features, like extra injector drivers and stuff, 8x16 fuel and timing maps ect...
i think it'd be a MUCH better alternitive to the SAFC/BTM combo we've been using (or planning to use in my case..lol) and it costs about the same as the safc/btm. runs off windows-based software and is pretty easy to use...check it out lemme know what ya think! i need to pick up a cheap laptop and then i think im gonna pick it up, and ditch the safc/btm..

[1bwilson]

I like the reviews that zeitronix got on alltrac.net. they have/had a GB going on the unit there also.

With the LCD its a bit pricey but you can get a EGT and Boost sensor along with the unit. Might go with that one.

[urbandork]

if im using a 3sgte manifold and downpipe will i need to relocate my oil filter? Or should it clear?

[presure2]

depends on the turbo you use, if its a celica or mr2 turbo, yes. itchy didnt have to move his, but he had a supra turbo.

[x_itchy_b_x]

depends on the turbo you use, if its a celica or mr2 turbo, yes. itchy didnt have to move his, but he had a supra turbo.
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haha yeeah he did cause hes an idiot.

[urbandork]

im planing on using 3sgte stuff out of an mr2 including the ct26. Would i still need to relocate my oil filter?

Im looking for a positive anwer lol?

[urbandork]

haha yeeah he did cause hes an idiot.

You mean he did n e way even tho he didnt have to?

opps make that a exhaust manifold from an all trac celica a down pipe from an mr2 and the usual ct26. all twin entry of course.

This post has been edited by urbandork: Mar 9, 2005 - 1:36 PM