jdm SIDEMIRROR wiring INFO, attention NEVERSTOP, CTCAT2049 Options

[playr158]

OK after about 10 min....3 15amp fuses and some playing

if you hook the RED wire at the MIRROR to a power source
then a GROUND to the BLACK wire at the MIRROR you get it to move DOWN
then a GROUND to the BROWN wire at the MIRROR you it to move RIGHT

thats as much info as i have now....
BUT that is not goin through the "relay/control switch" that is just wires to wires

[playr158]

on the mirror the two outside wires on eachside *all the wires EXCEPT the brown, red, and black* control the retractable motor......you can put positive on the left and ground on the right and it goes one way...switch the wires and it goes the other way....same for both sides

[playr158]

[NEVERSTOP]

thats awesome.. I was gonna mess around with mine today but ended up not having time.. did you get urs to work fully??>?

[Coomer]

Don't you still need the relay box so that the box can sense motor resistance and stop applying power to the motors?

[playr158]

neverstop-no i havn't gotten them to work cause i havn't gotten it compatable with the relay box that you control it with

Coomer-yes you still need it i'm still trying to figure out how to do it

[NEVERSTOP]

wait.... relay box?? is there something I'm missing?

I have the mirrors and the little controller thing you pop into your door panel to replace the stock one... is there something else?

[playr158]

no the controller thing for the door IS the relay

[NEVERSTOP]

okay cool

edit: hurry up! LOL j/k but I do want mine to work also and wanna see if you figure it out.

also want suggestions on how to make it work with the ignition.. like you turn on the car and they fold out and turn off the car and they fold in

This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Oct 12, 2004 - 9:25 PM

[playr158]

yea well i'm on GMU's dive team, and that is a ton of time i have to do that.....and i'm getting really pissed about it so i'm trying to quite maybe so i'll have more time.....and my pop's is goin to help me work on them when i have free time so i'll let you know NEVER when i get the time.........and when i said the two wires on each end of the plug that is onthee actual mirror do the retracting i believe one side's wires are the button and the other sides mirrors are the ignition you can try and find out which side is which

[NEVERSTOP]

ne updates on this???

I messed around with mine a little today.. I got most of the functions to work on the drivers side mirror.. I just cant seem to make it go down

The mirrors moving is AWESOME!!!!!!!!! I cant wait to have it all hooked up.

Playr... some of my pins are different than yours.. Im hopefully gonna try and work on it some more tomorrow and I'll make a cool little diagram like yours to compare.

edit: is it possible that toyota made different versions of the folding mirrors?? the back of my relay box has a total of 10 pins in it... 6 across the top row and then two section on the lower row of two each

This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Nov 1, 2004 - 12:58 AM

[turboinduction]

Heres what I got

Do you guys have this piece?



-Ti

[turboinduction]

[Consynx]

blue/yellow, sounds like a remote control wire...that would be amazing...
j/k

so what all of you are sying is that each set of mirrors is different...great

[playr158]

ok we didn't get that relay box.....we only have the control unit that goes in the door......

and the wires are the same for all of them
but why do we need the USDM mirrors----you got that wrong those are only 3 wire
you posted the JDM mirror wires

[turboinduction]

[playr158]

lol there ya go

yea i don't have that cpu relay box i wanna find a way to get around it since its not really easy to find

[Defgeph]

My set of mirrors are on the way, with control & relay. I'll try to add what I can when I get them. I got the 6th gens as well. I also want to find out how to hook them up so they open when starting the car, and close when you shut off the car.

Guess I'm a 6 g c p i m p haha

Later,
DEF

[turboinduction]

[Batman722]

I just got the set that was on ebay. I am kinda excited but I think I am having second thoughts.

I might want to sell these instead of installing them. No extra charge, just what I paid. Any interest, PM me.

[NEVERSTOP]

batman.. I might be interested if it has all the parts.. could always use an extra set

[Defgeph]

his are missing the relay, I was biding on those but backed out when I found out I needed the relay.

[Batman722]

I emailed the guy I outbid and it looks like he will take them. Unless anyone here wants them. Let me know

[turboinduction]

NOTICE TO ALL:

I suggest that unless you are very good at electronics, DO NOT bid on Power Folding mirrors until one of the 5 of us figure out if they will work.

1. Has to figure out wiring
2. Has to figure out movement or glass transfer so I can see out of them

Of course, if you want to buy them go ahead.... but better safe than sorry. Any updates guys?

-Ti

[playr158]

yo if you have that relay box i want it NOW....lol
but i need that since i gues you have to have it

6gc PIMPS

[Batman722]

TI, is there a part # on that relay box ? That would be the key to everything...

[NEVERSTOP]

[playr158]

yea if i can get a part numer i will love you forever once i have that its a matter of a few hours till we can hook them up

[NEVERSTOP]

okay... think where in luck with the mirror swap.. I opened up my pass side JDM and USDM.. you basially have to use a flat screwdriver and pop off the glass... stick the screwdriver on the underside of the mirror (bottom) and pop it off. You need to remove 3 screws and the motor assembly for the mirror will come out.. there are 3 wires that have to be cut. luckily there red, black and brown on both JDM and USDM.. so hopefully there the same function for both. I will finish putting the USDM mirror in the JDM housing in a few mins and let you guys know if it can move still like the USDM one.

Here are a few pics of the USDM one:

[BenMMellor]

Looks like us BRITS will have to help you guys out YET AGAIN !!!!!




http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2...pic.php?t=20810

[Batman722]

This is nice the site doesn't mention the relay. Only the control unit ( which is the part on the door panel, right ?

edit : the pic


This post has been edited by Batman722: Nov 2, 2004 - 3:39 PM

[NEVERSTOP]

KICKA$$ ben once agian you have been nothing but helpful

just wish I had time at the moment to read the whole howto

as for the mirror swap... WORKED PERFECT! no probs at all and even got to retain the JDM glass! and we all know how important that is

Like 5 extra HP just in the glass

The only prob I had is when I spliced together the wires I tried to use posilocks.. which where too big to fit into the allowed space for the wires.. you'll see what I mean when you open them up yourselfs.. TO get around this I just used electircal tape and then heat shrinked over it... worked perfect... its nice to be able to see outta my pass mirror agian

Gonna do the drivers either later tonight or tomorrow - dont expect ne probs with it but will post results regardless

[turboinduction]

since I love you all

I'm not sure of the part number but heres whats written on top. I assume it is, but no flaming if its not.

Toyota Mirror Control
12V
87989- [20030]

The 20030 is raised up

Hope that helps

-Ti

But from that write up it looks like you dont need the relay as your stock one will do. YEAH US!

[playr158]

hmmmmmm site bookmarked for when i get the celi back and running i foundly found a reason why the brits are usefull;)

[turboinduction]

wait maybe not

Playr heres your pic



just like mine........

We have a Pink (Light Red) wire in the upper right. They have a Red/Yellow and a Blue/White wire.... how do we overcome this?

-Ti

This post has been edited by turboinduction: Nov 2, 2004 - 4:44 PM

[BenMMellor]

once again I can't take the credit.. one of the UK club members sorted it out.. all kudos goes to him.. I just like to share information out.

[turboinduction]

I just looked..... I have a Red/Yellow and a Blue/White wire on my relay though...

[playr158]

hmmm i could have gotten different reactions on my set because i didn't have the relay(the box) so that could have made things different i say go with that site cause the box changes alot

[turboinduction]

I would go with the site

BUT!

That site has 9 wires in the control unit

Mine only has 8

Instead of the Red/Yellow and Blue/White - I have a Pink

-Ti

[Batman722]

I will have my mirrors in about a week or so. A few days after that I will have them hooked up and working properly. Honestly, I don't really care if they can't be adjusted with the switch, just as long as they fold in and out

I will try to wire them without the relay like on that site and have them work 100% normally. If not I will order the relay. I have wired plenty of things before and I will be able to figure these out when I get them.

NEVER, if you are able to get the stock relay let me know.

[turboinduction]

I emailed the writer of that how-to. If he emails me back i'll let you guys know.

-Ti

[turboinduction]

First Reply from Silver GT

[NEVERSTOP]

okay guys where gonna need to pool everything together that we know.

My relay has ten pin plugs on the back of it... kinda looks like this



I also didn't get the male side of the harness for the JDM relay.. so I had to make my own.. luckily I had an extra harness plug layin around and only had to add two new wires into it to make it work

and the part numbers on the back of my relay are as follows:

Green circut board #:183362

Harness (female side) #:361-2030

That how to is very helpful.. but think I will have to rely on the pin numbers and not the wire colors.

If someone else has the 10 pin style that came with the stock wires still on it PLEASE follow the diagram above for the #'s

Like:
1:white with blue strip
2:pink with silver spots

ETC

[turboinduction]

[NEVERSTOP]

okay thats weird then TI.. cuz the harness I used had those wires EXACTLY before I added two extras.. but why the 2 extra pins in the female harness????

Also.. some bad news for you guys... the mirror swap doesnt work on the drivers side.. at least not like the pass did

try adding washers to some of the screws to give the assembly more of an angle and that works but the mirror sticks out too far and when its folded back will hit the part of the mirror attached to the door.

this weekend I am gonna try and tear apart both mirrors.. USDM and JDM and see if I can swap the mounting part inside.. will photoshop some pics to explain better what I am talking about

[turboinduction]

Hey Never, Just thought about it

I did that drawing with the wiring pointing to me, and the harness plugged in. If you at looking at the front of the harness (the part that plugs in, the just mirror the image over. I dont know why there are 2 extra pins either - hum. This might be bigger than I thought. I'll do some work this weekend.

[NEVERSTOP]

well if you read the howto thing all the wires are the exact same as ours and his except theres one extra wire in his..

I'm gonna try and get the drivers working TONIGHT!

LOL

his how to seems pretty straight forward though and I got a ton of extra harnesses with my mirrors so hopefully I can figure em out

[NEVERSTOP]

hey one of you guys.. do me a favor really quick.. run out to your car with the JDM relay and plug it into your stock wiring harness and see if the mirrors will work like up down sides.. according to this guys howto it should

[WannabeGT4]

Hey Neverstop! You want an avatar that has a seemless loop to it? Cause here it is.

[NEVERSTOP]

naw takes too long.. what I want is my MIRRORS to do that!

errrrgh,., think that guys howto is not accurate for the USDM celi

[Batman722]

just some posts about them from the UK board
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2...pic.php?t=20650
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2...pic.php?t=18374
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/phpbb2...pic.php?t=14714

all info is good...

[NEVERSTOP]

I give up

[turboinduction]

[Batman722]

so no one ( USDM people ) have gotten these to work ?

[NEVERSTOP]

[turboinduction]

I'll try my JDM relay this weekend

[Batman722]

jeez once I get mine I will compare what harness and wire color and # of wires I have to everyone elses. We will get this all figured out. It is just a matter of time.

If the mirror (folding motor) works when you hardwire it to a battery then there is still plenty of hope for this.

worse comes to worse, get the left right up down to work (or not) and harewire the folding using $3 relays to reverse the polarity

[playr158]

you have to use the JDM control not the usdm one...it will never work with any usdm parts

[turboinduction]

[Defgeph]

damn I thought you guys would make it easy for me. Has Anyone tried hooking the mirrors up to a battery and figuring out the functions of each wire ? still havent received mine yet. Wish I could shed some light.

DEF

[NEVERSTOP]

[playr158]

if he has everything shouldn't it be a straight wire up?

control switch to relay box

relay box to mirror?


oh and so we clarafi things......control switch is the one were you push the buttons

relay is the stupid black box that TI has

and the mirrors are the things on the outside of your car

[Batman722]

The mirrors are on the outside ? opps I screwed up.

NEVER, you might want to try using a relay or 2. Have you wired relays before ? If you need to reverse a polarity use these diagrams here (relay diagrams)

also, you said you can make the mirrors move (fold) with a battery hardwired right ? What wires and what polarity ?

[playr158]

the two wires on the out side of either side (2 farthest left or right wires) polarity doesn't matter one way will move out and one way moves in

[NEVERSTOP]

yea I just used a little 9vlt battery

think some of my prob is I had 3 shorts in my circut board.. I did one of em but never noticed the other 2 cuz they where hidden under some whitish goey ****.

I soddered in some copperwire to fix everything and hotglued overem so hopefully that helps.

[NEVERSTOP]

[Batman722]

I'm sorry to hear that anyway, my guess with this whole mess is - the control unit (JDM switch that goes in the door) probaly gets wired in with the up righ left down similar to US/UK/JDM (whatever the wire colors are, they are all there and will work). The wires that are for the folding go to a relay (or 2) and then to BOTH of the mirror motors (safer that way). The UK write up just bypasses the relay(s) and goes strait to each mirror motors individually (not as safe).

I will have my mirrors and switch in 6 days and on Wednesday I will be installing them. I will probaly get buy two $3 relays from radioshack to replace the toyota one because that is all it is.

NEVER, learn about relays !!!!!!!!!!! you are buying one. You are going to need to know how to install it properly.

I wish you guys lived close to me, I would be able to get these done.

[1bwilson]

Batman, you wire the harnesses and they will come.

Get it working and name your price.

[SilverGT]

Hey guys, the panic's over, the doctor has arrived

My name's Graham, I'm from merry olde England, I've got a '98 Celica GT, and I've fitted JDM electric folding mirrors and made them work


So any questions you've got, ask away.

Firstly, any of you that have got a control relay, throw it away. You don't need it!

Next, for anyone who hasn't already got it, here's the circuit diagram for the existing mirrors on the USDM cars http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/photos/cirdiag2.gif




This post has been edited by SilverGT: Nov 4, 2004 - 10:04 AM

[Batman722]

That's what I'm talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SilverGT]

How the JDM mirrors work.

There are just 2 wires for the retractor motor, blue and green. If you apply power to one wire and ground the other, the motor runs one way. If you reverse the polarity it runs the other way. The motor has internal limit switches to switch it off when it reaches the end of it's travel, so the power can be left on all the time.


The connections on the JDM control.



1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster
5 - chassis
6 - power +12v
7 - right horizontal adjuster
8 - right vertical adjuster
9 - common feed to adjusters
10 - left horizontal adjuster



As for relays, I take your point about using them to save the switch, but in this case the motor current is tiny and I wouldn't have thought it necessary.


The corresponding USDM loom colors

1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LG
8 - right vertical adjuster - LG/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LG/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W

GY = Grey
W = White
BK = Black
BL = Blue
BR = Brown
R = Red
Y = Yellow
GR = Green
LG = Light Green

This post has been edited by SilverGT: Nov 6, 2004 - 6:22 AM

[turboinduction]

thanks SilverGt, i'm the one who emailed you

Are you sure that is the controls for ALL JDM control units?

I only ask because I board looks different

-Ti

[turboinduction]

And one more.... yeah

Now assuming the break down you gave us above is correct for all models, how do we go about working with it. Does the stock USDM harness plug right in and all we have to do is splice in the two extra wires for retract and expand? Thanks

-Ti

[SilverGT]

[SilverGT]

[Defgeph]

Sweet, I recieved my mirrors today. SilverGT thanks for the great info ! Could you take pictures of your wires and how they are spliced.

also, how did you run the retract wires up to the mirror ?

Thanks,
DEF

[playr158]

yea your pins are different then mine for the control...


i have 3 on top and 5 on bottom
1 in the top left two on the top right
and five straight across the bottom

[playr158]

oh and i don't understand a single thing on that last think posted

[turboinduction]

I've got a pink wire - anyone know what that does. Its part of the cut off harness thats in my JDM control unit......

-Ti

[playr158]

this is how my wires are
3 top pins
top left pin : brown wire w/ silver spots
top middle pin but on the right side: blue wire w/ red stripe
top Right pin: gray wire w/silver spots
bottom pins from left to right:
pink w/black strip
pink w/white strip
puke green w/black strip
puke green w/red strip
red w/ silver spots

edit= all wires have silver spots lol

This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 4, 2004 - 10:42 PM

[turboinduction]

[NEVERSTOP]

Oh yea!

BE JEALOUS!!!

got all functions to work.. and I ended up not even using the control box.. will post more later as to how.. just dont have time at the moment

[fastgt]

ass

[NEVERSTOP]

[Batman722]

you used relays ? nice. I hope that link I posted helped in some way. I will have mine and wired in about a week

[playr158]

your an ass never.......how you do that then not give a CLEAR EXPLANATION you only talk in neverstop speak DAMN YOU

[Defgeph]

ok,who has 5th gen mirrors and who has 6th gens.

I have 6th gens.
Dan has 5th gens
ti has 6th gens
Neverstop ??
Batman has 6th gens

Dont want everyone confused on wire color anymore or pin location

[playr158]

ah see thats why its different i HAVE 5TH gen mirrors

damn it.....looks like i have to find a 5th gen board and check around

[SilverGT]

[turboinduction]

[NEVERSTOP]

mine are 6gc ones

[playr158]

curse you all wtf am i supposed to do

[SilverGT]

[NEVERSTOP]

[Batman722]

nice. Relays are fun and easy

EDIT: playr158, just put the motors in your mirrors. Then just wire the motors to work. With the 2 links posted - http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html and http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx you should be able to mount the motor your existing housing and then just wire them in.

This post has been edited by Batman722: Nov 5, 2004 - 10:01 PM

[NEVERSTOP]

the blue arrow is the main gear.. I had to redo the glue inside cuz the driver side mirror was loose and it would spin out too far and not let the mirror move back out.

the red arrow is pointin at the powerthingy for the motor.. I had to reset the motor a few times when I was figurin out everything.. unhookin that and then pluggin it back in seems to be the way to do it



This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Nov 5, 2004 - 11:11 PM

[Batman722]

after doing some research I have a question for SliverGT

looking at the UK how 2 on http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html

The old and new wire colours for the control units are the same so you just join colour to colour
Control unit Power = GY
Chassis = W/BK
Common feed = LG/R
Right Vert. = LG/BK
Right Hori. = LG
Left Vert. = BR/Y
Left Hori. = BR/W
Retractor + = R/Y
Retractor - = BL/W

and looking at your USDM loom colors

The corresponding USDM loom colors

1 - retractor motor
2 - retractor motor
3 - spare
4 - left vertical adjuster - BR/Y
5 - chassis - W/BK
6 - power +12v - GY
7 - right horizontal adjuster - LGR
8 - right vertical adjuster - LGR/BK
9 - common feed to adjusters - LGR/R
10 - left horizontal adjuster - BR/W


2 wires don't match up - the RH and the common feed are switched. Just a mistake ? Are you sure the USDM / UK / JDM control unit wires all match up ? or are they different with the USDM (2 wires) ?

EDIT : also, the + and - from the mirrors just go directly to the + and - of the control unit ?

This post has been edited by Batman722: Nov 5, 2004 - 11:21 PM

[Batman722]

After more research, NEVER, that is some funky riggin question : you still have them hooked to your window switch, right ? So, you could hook that setup to an external 3 way switch in the dash and keep your stock (USDM) mirror switch, right ?

[NEVERSTOP]

[playr158]

can someone explain what i have to do with these damned 5th gen mirrors??????
swap all the motors into my stock mirrors?
how would i wire?
switch?
keep the stocker?