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Aug 18, 2005 - 9:45 PM |
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Aug 21, 2005 - 9:54 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
No theres no SC for the 3s, the 5s Rippmodds might fit but its not something you do to a turbo motor.
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Aug 21, 2005 - 10:21 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
he's got me thinking in a sense
since superchargers do the same job as a turbo by packing the air together in a new pressure environment, shouldn't compression be lower for S/C? i was reading about some place planning to S/C a 11:1 comp car... and i was wondering since if it may run cooler(no hot-side to cold-side transfer) if it can run higher compression. I gotta admit i do love the WHIR of a S/C (not that i'd reverse all the turbo just go to S/C -------------------- |
Aug 21, 2005 - 11:01 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Consynx @ Aug 21, 2005 - 7:21 PM) he's got me thinking in a sense since superchargers do the same job as a turbo by packing the air together in a new pressure environment, shouldn't compression be lower for S/C? i was reading about some place planning to S/C a 11:1 comp car... and i was wondering since if it may run cooler(no hot-side to cold-side transfer) if it can run higher compression. I gotta admit i do love the WHIR of a S/C (not that i'd reverse all the turbo just go to S/C [right][snapback]326704[/snapback][/right] 11:1 plus boost = race gas only car tuning can make anything work, how long it lasts depends on how good the tune is and how the car is driven my WRX is at 8:1 CR, when i build a motor for it, i will try to hit 8.5:1 CR to make for more off boost power BTW, converting a turbo 4cyl into a SC 4cyl is not a good idea. just watch those new cobalt SS's. soon there will be kits to convert them to turbo. i have never seen a kit that converts a turbo engine to a SC engine This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Aug 21, 2005 - 11:02 PM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 21, 2005 - 11:02 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
it would be kind of dumb to ditch the factory turbo setup for a supercharger. at best you would end up with the same performance as the stock ct26 can give you.
i could see it as a better option for a 5sfe. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Aug 21, 2005 - 11:04 PM |
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it would be interesting to see it on a 3sge.... if it was possible.
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Aug 21, 2005 - 11:04 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
97sccelica, they already have turbo kits out for the cobalt. just saw and install of one on tv a few days ago
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Aug 21, 2005 - 11:41 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
btw, the car i was talking about was the Mustang GT-R that they are supposed to release
it was an article in Autoweek where the writer said it was at like 11:1 pushing out X horsepower then i remember "and that's before supercharging..." as for your question...i do not know what that 671gm is, and i don't know if the 3s-gte will "handle" it. if you mean can it take a supercharger...i don't see why not. It's got low compression, and has been proven to put out impressive numbers. This post has been edited by Consynx: Aug 21, 2005 - 11:42 PM -------------------- |
Aug 22, 2005 - 8:31 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 21, 2005 - 11:02 PM) it would be kind of dumb to ditch the factory turbo setup for a supercharger. at best you would end up with the same performance as the stock ct26 can give you. i could see it as a better option for a 5sfe. [right][snapback]326717[/snapback][/right] With the right supercharger and tuning, I think it would be a great idea if you have a street car and love torque. Check out this thread: 3sgze This post has been edited by jgreening: Aug 22, 2005 - 8:34 AM -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
Aug 22, 2005 - 3:16 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 16, '04 From UK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(defgeph @ Aug 21, 2005 - 11:04 PM) it would be interesting to see it on a 3sge.... if it was possible. [right][snapback]326718[/snapback][/right] I know of a ST202 powered by a 3S-GZE. Runs pretty well actually. -------------------- JDM ST205
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Aug 23, 2005 - 8:46 PM |
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Aug 28, 2005 - 10:40 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 11, '04 From Wake Forest, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
how bout a supercharged 3sge Beams.... btw sorry i see this thread is from a few days ago
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Aug 28, 2005 - 11:06 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '04 From Brooklyn moved to Miramar Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
If you guys can find it there is a '83 1.8 corolla with a 3s-ge supercharged ... I saw it in the sport compact car mag a wile back...
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Aug 31, 2005 - 9:30 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I can't remember how long ago it was, but once I saw an older MR2 that had a supercharger and turbo on it. The supercharger provided boost at lower rpms while the turbo provided it for higher rpms. The engine bay looked like hell though, there was crap everywhere. I don't know how the guy worked on anything.
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Aug 31, 2005 - 9:48 PM |
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Sep 1, 2005 - 1:35 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '05 From Richmond, B.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The boost from the SC and turbo didn't stack -- that's not how doublecharging works. The idea with double-charger is that the SC prevents lag and gives great acceleration, while the turbo takes over at high RPMs to give great speed that the SC cannot match.
The concept has become much less popular in recent years simply because modern turbos are so much more efficient than the old style ones, and the turbo lag is no longer great enough to justify the additional weight, cost and complexity of adding a supercharger. |
Sep 1, 2005 - 5:47 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 11, '04 From Wake Forest, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
sounds like a hybrid with electric motors to provide torque and acceleration, then gas motor for cruizing...
i saw something on the mr2 didn't he blow like 3 engines before getting it right? |
Sep 1, 2005 - 6:08 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '04 From Brooklyn moved to Miramar Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
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Sep 1, 2005 - 10:38 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
So I found the magazine where I saw it, it was Feb 2002 issue of Sport Compact Car (Vol. 14 No. 2)
It was an '85 MR2 twincharger. It had a 4ag-gze, dropped to 8.9:1 compression, with a T3/T4 with nitrous added. I'm not sure what it ran (I can't find the mag with those stats), but I'm sure it wasn't really worth it. I'll let you know if I find the issure that had the performance stats. |
Sep 2, 2005 - 6:40 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Punch @ Sep 1, 2005 - 6:08 PM) take a look http://bedellracing.home.comcast.net/events.html http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=120 http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=46139 http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=41179 [right][snapback]330291[/snapback][/right] Definitely cool stuff.....but I think the original poster wanted info on supercharging the 3sgte...not a V6 -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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