breaking traction allways left side?, FWD G6 ST202 JDM spec |
breaking traction allways left side?, FWD G6 ST202 JDM spec |
Mar 16, 2006 - 9:53 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 15, '06 From Leicester UK. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hi,
Couldn't find this anywhere else but I'm sure it's out there.... but, is it all FWD celicas that break the left wheel traction first? I had a similar problem on a modofied rover metro turbo (don't worry its crap and english, you don't need to know!) which has the mini A series engine with non equal length drive shafts, this caused the traction break and indeed torque steer in the metro. Is the Celica the same? New tyres both sides, shocks in good condition, just can't explain it. -------------------- A plesant chap with no ulterior motives
Gen 6, 97 ST202 Jap import. |
Mar 16, 2006 - 3:18 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i think the driverside drive axle is shorter than the passenger side. it would make sence because the transmission is on the driverside of the block. Oh yea, it isn't a honda.
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Mar 16, 2006 - 3:42 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 18, '06 From NB, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 12 (100%) |
just try to no break traction...it just means you're acceleration slower hehehe...
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Mar 16, 2006 - 6:52 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You need a LSD. I NEVER spin one tire only and have about 270whp.
-------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
Mar 16, 2006 - 7:39 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 15, '06 From Leicester UK. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(spunky393 @ Mar 16, 2006 - 3:18 PM) [snapback]408673[/snapback] i think the driverside drive axle is shorter than the passenger side. it would make sence because the transmission is on the driverside of the block. Oh yea, it isn't a honda. Diverside for you, passenger (left) side for me, sort of explains it though. LSD is a bit pricey for me, will have to put up with it. Thanks all. -------------------- A plesant chap with no ulterior motives
Gen 6, 97 ST202 Jap import. |
Mar 17, 2006 - 2:25 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There is a company called Phantom Grip that makes LSD's for $350. I don't think they have a model for our cars yet but I understand that they do not have a problem producing them. If you google Phantom Grip you will find their website.
-------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
Mar 18, 2006 - 7:27 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 15, '06 From Leicester UK. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That looks like a good product, thanks!
What is the cost other people have paid for LSD and are they all aftermarket? Searched for limited and diff but not found much. -------------------- A plesant chap with no ulterior motives
Gen 6, 97 ST202 Jap import. |
Mar 18, 2006 - 10:32 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 1, '03 From WV Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
That side of the car always spins because it's the torque side. At least thats what I think. You ever notice how the right front of rwd cars is the first to pick up? Thats because the power goes to the ground better on that side due to the spinning of the engine. Nascar cars run counter clockwise for that reason too. I'm not sure if fwd's hold the same principle, I've been told they do though. I would like someone to conferm this. I will try to find this though searching, so don't take this as 100% true yet.
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Mar 21, 2006 - 11:22 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Mar 18, 2006 - 9:32 PM) [snapback]409836[/snapback] That side of the car always spins because it's the torque side. At least thats what I think. You ever notice how the right front of rwd cars is the first to pick up? Thats because the power goes to the ground better on that side due to the spinning of the engine. Nascar cars run counter clockwise for that reason too. I'm not sure if fwd's hold the same principle, I've been told they do though. I would like someone to conferm this. I will try to find this though searching, so don't take this as 100% true yet. I am sorry but this post is 100% INCORRECT. 1. What is the "torque side"? 2. The right front of a RWD car is the first to pick up? When? 3. The NASCAR comment is priceless. Cars run counterclockwise for historical reasons having nothing to do with performance issues. A quick google search I found this: AUTO RACETRACKS WERE SET UP COUNTERCLOCKWISE IN THE TRADITION OF HORSE RACING, AND THE THOROUGHBRED RACING ASSOCIATION SAYS AMERICAN RACETRACKS WERE FIRST SET COUNTERCLOCKWISE IN 1780 BECAUSE AMERICAN BREEDERS WERE STILL ANGRY AT THE BRITISH, WHOSE HORSE RACING TRACKS RAN CLOCKWISE. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
Mar 21, 2006 - 12:37 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 1, '03 From WV Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
^^I got my info from my Physics Professor on the NASCAR thing. My dad told me about the torque side thing. I don't see why that tire would always wear more without a reason. Both these guys could be wrong. My dad has a tendency to "talk" sometimes. I don't doubt the Nascar thing that you typed is true, but it also helps that the engine motion pulls that side down. Remember physics class and how gyroscopes work?
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Mar 21, 2006 - 1:01 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 55 (100%) |
Ineresting, my rh usually breaks loose first.
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Mar 21, 2006 - 1:02 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 9, '03 From Sioux falls, South Dakota Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
what do u mean the engine pulls that side down they are rear wheel drive so the drive shaft goes to the rear end then equal length to each tire so i think im confused on what u are saying, if you could please clarify.
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Mar 21, 2006 - 2:17 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 1, '03 From WV Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
QUOTE(afroman @ Mar 21, 2006 - 1:02 PM) [snapback]410956[/snapback] what do u mean the engine pulls that side down they are rear wheel drive so the drive shaft goes to the rear end then equal length to each tire so i think im confused on what u are saying, if you could please clarify. -Aaron- It's from the rotation of the engine. It's a gyroscopic principle. The rotating mass will stabilize but it does pull a little harder on the one side. I'm not sure it's significant enough to really do much, I'm just relaying what I've heard. I don't know if it's true, I'm just stating what I was told. As far as the torque side thing, I thought it was talking about the right. My car seems to burn the right side faster. And that's the side I've heard the motor transfers torque better too. But like it said, I have no proof of this, only rumors. -------------------- Live Free, Be Happy
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