I really dont know what to do anymore!!!!, Is the 20V 4age "silvertop" really worth it? Options

[qmoney10457]

Ok, so I have put up a couple of posts about what swap I should do and decided to do a 4age 20V "silvertop swap". My problem now is that I feel like I made a mistake. I feel like doing this swap into my 1994 st isnt worth it . I mean, ive been reading a couple of topics on this site and it looks like the very few people who have done this swap has all complained about not getting the full power out of their 4age 20V that they should be getting(please correct me if im wrong). Aside from that, all my friends are also telling me its not worth it as well. They all have Hondas and their telling me putting a 20V 1.6 VVT motor into a 1994 Celica is like putting a B16 DOHC VTEC into a 1994 Integra....its senseless!!! Their telling me that their reason for saying this is that the Celica body is heavy as is an Integra body so why would anybody put a 1.6 in their car if the can put a 1.8 like they do in their Integras. Now me getting a Honda is out of the question because I dont want to scoop that low plus I live in the Bronx and those cars get stolen like candy!!! I was thinking about getting a 1988 Toyota Corolla SR5 being that its rwd, the 4age 20V is more suitable for the car, and it weighs less than the Celica(if im not mistaken). Im a college student so I dont have big bucks to spend on a 3sgte or even a 3sge BEAMS(witch I was really looking into). 6GC.NET MEMBERS, PLEASE HELP ME !!! I mean, if anybody can at least tell me how 2 tune the VVT correctly in the Celica so I may get all the power I should be getting out of it, that would do me good enough. Then I can just worry about turbo charging it so I can clean all of my Honda friends(being that im the only Toyota in the clique)!!! I really dont want to get rid of my Celica because I dont want to be like everybody else and just get a Honda. Plus they look nice and I boutgh so many parts(interior and exterior wise) including this motor and I dont want to just get rid of it. My lil brother has a 1989 240sx with an SR20det redtop and all my friends like I said have GSR's and LSVTEC's and so on and so forth and im just feeling like the ass of the clique!!! So please guys, please tell me what 2 do. You guys are the only ones that can talk to me and help me with my Celica. Thanx.

Quincy

[burneeed]

Well if you are looking for big power if you were to start over again 3sgte is your best best. Im sorry to hear your not impressed with a 20v silvertop. I rode in a 5th gen with a 20v and I was pretty impressed thing pulled all the way to redline. Definately thought it was a pretty fast car. You say your a college student with not alot of big funds..... if you own a 3sgte you have to have big funds... so many little things that go wrong and break all the time.

Well you have a few routes you can do.
1.) sell the swap to someone. Save your money
2.) go 3sgte route... but youll need more because youll need a different trans with the 3s motor
3.) Build up the motor.

Im not really sure what your looking to do with your car speed wise. Theres a decent amount of aftermarket support for the 20v silvertop. If I was you I would worry about building up your current motor and try to see about making it faster..... just simple bolt ons and see where it gets you. If your still not happy sell it.

Btw.... Honda guys think completely different from toyota guys... dont spend too much time with them it will mess with your head

[Bitter]

20Valve needs to be force fed

[j0e_p3t]

rebuild the 4age before you put it in. and get the usual header, cai, exhaust, and other bolt-on mods. you should be able to keep up... at least a lot easier than your 7afe haha. and if they still talk ish, just remind them who has the sexiest car.

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: Jun 15, 2006 - 8:54 PM

[qmoney10457]

U damn right about dat who has the sexier car part!!! But then in a way, the 94' to 01' Integra's kinda resemble eachother

[Batman722]

did you already buy a silvertop ?

[soulshadow]

All, I can say Is slap a Turbo on that 20V Banger and it will play catch up to the 3sgte.
The stock internals can withstand up to 220'ish HP so you dont have to worry too much if you boost very, very low (if not minimum ).

The hard part, is fiding yourself a Turbo Exhaust manifold. There exists none, unless you can customize one or use your old ones to make one.

Don't feel too sad, its just that The true potential comes from the turbo for quick easy way to power.
Then you have the camshafts, pistons and electronics that will need $$$ dished out. At least for now go turbo.

A 20V, 4-throttle 1.6, DOHC, VVT, Turbo is more rare than a DOHC turbo.

Its the Qualities of an Engine, not the Quantities.

[qmoney10457]

Man I love u 6gcers and dats 4 reel. While writing this post, I was ad and komfused. But now its like f*^k all these Hondas man!!!! But now back to what you said soul shadow... isnt it hard 2 tune the VVT with a turbo?

[soulshadow]

In a sense, Turbos were never meant to be used with Timing that would alternate because turbos were supposed to be on a set timing. You would need something to control fuel injection an Apexi or whatever should do fine. Its always better to run super rich then Lean.

VVT on certain 2jzgtes, VVT on Golfs (i think), Heck Turbo V-tecs. Its all good.

[Cutrara]

Throw in some low comp 4A-GZE pistons and boost the **** out of that engine

[qmoney10457]

But if I was to throw some low comp. pistons and turbo it, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of the VVT?

did you already buy a silvertop ?

Yes I did buy the motor already.

This post has been edited by qmoney10457: Jun 15, 2006 - 11:12 PM

[Kwanza26]

But if I was to throw some low comp. pistons and turbo it, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of the VVT?

That statement alone is the reason why you should know what you want before wanting it. Get what I mean? Understand what things are, why they are, and what you want and why you want, before deciding you want it. Jumping in out of excitment for an 'pretty' lookin engine is pretty silly.

A lot of Toyota people are not gonna like the 20V simply because it doesn't feel much like a typical toyota engine. That doesn't make it a bad engine or anything like that... because the build potential with a 20V is VERY high. It just depends on what you're capable of, and how deep your pockets go.

Oh... and one more thing. Don't do it to fit in with a group of people. Car crews and friends who run around in packs have always bothered me simply because pressure blinds good sense. Don't that dictate your wanting to mod your car.

[Bitter]

vvt will actually make for a better turbocharged application since in the higher rpms you switch to a better flowing cam profile and will be able to flow even more air and pull real hard all the way till redline or further. tuning for that isnt that hard, just set the fuel maps and ignition maps up right with the right rpm points and it wouldnt cause any problems.

[qmoney10457]

But if I was to throw some low comp. pistons and turbo it, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of the VVT?

That statement alone is the reason why you should know what you want before wanting it. Get what I mean? Understand what things are, why they are, and what you want and why you want, before deciding you want it. Jumping in out of excitment for an 'pretty' lookin engine is pretty silly.

A lot of Toyota people are not gonna like the 20V simply because it doesn't feel much like a typical toyota engine. That doesn't make it a bad engine or anything like that... because the build potential with a 20V is VERY high. It just depends on what you're capable of, and how deep your pockets go.

Oh... and one more thing. Don't do it to fit in with a group of people. Car crews and friends who run around in packs have always bothered me simply because pressure blinds good sense. Don't that dictate your wanting to mod your car.

I understand fully what you mean, but im not ashamed, I was just a bit confused. I was confused cause based on what Ive read about 4age 20V owners who has swapped that motor into thier 6gc's has had problems. Their alwayz saying that all the power isnt being let out. I feel like I might have that problem 2 cause im not doing the swap, somebody's doing it for me and they are no familiar with the motor so they might mess up.