Real mystery about celicas..., everyone may help solve this Options

[malpaso]

I have found one table with model codes of 6gen celicas, there is also key (for 6gen Celicas) how read this:

example my car: AT200L-BLMSKW

AT200L-BLMSKW
A = "A" engine (7AFE)
S = "S" engine (3SGE, 3SGE, 3SFE, 5SFE)
AT200L-BLMSKW
T = ? (maybe some "Group code" but always letter "T")
AT200L-BLMSKW
20 = 6th generation
AT200L-BLMSKW
0 = Euro/US 1.8
2 = SS-I/SS-II/SS-III/Euro 2.0
3 = SS-I FWS
4 = US/Aus/Can 2.2
5 = JDM/Euro/Aus GT-four
AT200L-BLMSKW
non-JDM
L = LHD
R = RHD
JDM (always RHD)
C = convertible
(empty place) = liftback
AT200L-BLMSKW
B = ? (maybe "Celica" but always letter "B")
AT200L-BLMSKW
L = liftback
C = coupe
K = convertible
AT200L-BLMSKW
M = MTM
P = ATM
AT200L-BLMSKW
non-JDM
S = ST
G = GT
JDM
(empty place)
AT200L-BLMSKW
KW = Euro 1.8
FW = Euro 2.0/Euro CV 2.0
ZW = Euro GT-four
GK = SS-I
VF = SS-II/JDM CV
ZF = SS-III
VZ = JDM GT-four
KA = all USDM
KK = all Canadian
KQ = all Australian
(sorry I don't have any Australian one examples... thanks CelicaZR)

Now... can someone (more the better) here post your model code plus info like:
2.2, GT-S, coupe, Canada
or
2.2, SX, hatchback, Australia?

You know I just want solve one big mystery for me... I belive someone of you with GTs will find code like this: ST204L-BLPSKA => for me is that "ST" celica with 5SFE engine???... How is that possible? Is that one code for our "GT" and code ST204L-BLPGKA for GT-S?. Just late models of Celica has ST grade... (97-99) and none of them is labeled "GT-S"... that's what I know so far

EDIT: If anyone don't know where find "model number" post first 9 characters from jour VIN code. example = JT164ATL0, or JT2AN00L, or JT2ST07F... from this I can decode model number too... thanks.

EDIT II: Thanks saleeka, your response match perfectly (according to data from EPC I have)...

The reason as to why you think that there are 2.2 5S-FE ST's in our market is because after the sales year 97 in the US, Toyota stripped the model lineup of model grade names completely, and ALL Celicas were then 5S-FE powered (and there were no GT coupes in 97). However, the interior trims of the old ST and GT still could be had (you had to have certain options in the car to get the "GT" grade seats and door trim). Also, many people don't realize that even though Toyota still put the GT badges on cars made after 97, not once will you see Toyota refer to any of the models as GT's. This is partialy why things get confusing...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Dec 18, 2006 - 2:53 AM

[mzztoyota]

ill check when I get back to my dorm

[Outsider]

1994 Canadian GT-S
ST204L-BLMGKK

[CelicaZR]

Australia Celicas
All have the 5sfe (2.2L) and are hatchbacks.
They come in SX, SX-R and ZR.

[malpaso]

1994 Canadian GT-S
ST204L-BLMGKK

Perfect Outsider, many thanks for that. GT-S is coded there like "GT"!

[malpaso]

I have found just those model codes and I guess there is difference between "category" and "labeling".
See for your self:

JDM - Japan Domestic Market
(cars produced for Japan market)
2.0 SS-I
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMGK (MTM), ST202-BLPGK (ATM)
engine: 3S-FE, 140BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 SS-I FWS
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST203-BLMGK (MTM), ST203-BLPGK (ATM)
engine: 3S-FE, 140BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 SS-II
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMVF (MTM), ST202-BLPVF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 SS-III
produced: 08/95 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMZF (MTM), ST202-BLPZF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE vvt-i, 200BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 12/97 (MTM), 08/94 - 05/99 (ATM)
model: ST202C-BKMVF (MTM), ST202C-BKPVF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all models RHD
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 08/99
model: ST205-BLMVZ (MTM)
engine: 3S-GTE, 255BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks

EDM - European Domestic Market
(cars produced for European market, UK included)
1.8 ST
produced: 11/93 - 08/99 (LHD), 11/93 - 08/99 (RHD)
model: AT200L-BLMSKW (LHD), AT200R-BLMSKW (RHD)
engine: 7A-FE, 115BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 GT
produced: 11/93 - 08/99
model: ST202L-BLMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BLMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST202L-BKMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BKMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 06/96
model: ST205L-BLMVZW (LHD), ST205R-BLMVZW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GTE, 235BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks

USDM - United States Domestic Market
(cars produced for American market)
1.8 ST Coupe
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: AT200L-BCMSKA (MTM), AT200L-BCPSKA (ATM)
engine: 7A-FE, 105BHP
more info: all models LHD
1.8 ST Liftback
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: AT200L-BLMSKA (MTM), AT200L-BLPSKA (ATM)
engine: 7A-FE, 105BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Coupe (labeled like "GT-S")
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST204L-BCMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BCPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 ST Coupe (labeled like "GT")
produced: 12/97 - 08/98
model: ST204L-BCMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BCPSKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Liftback, labeled like "GT"
produced: 09/93 - 12/97
model: ST204L-BLMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 ST Liftback (labeled like "GT")
produced: 12/97 - 08/99
model: ST204L-BLMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPSKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST204L-BKMGKA (MTM), ST204L-BKPGKA (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD

CDM - Canadian Domestic Market
(cars produced for Canadian market)
1.8 ST Liftback
produced: 09/93 - 06/96
model: AT200L-BLMSKK (MTM), AT200L-BLPSKK (ATM)
engine: 7A-FE, 105BHP
more info: all models LHD
2.2 GT Coupe, labeled like "GT-S"
produced: 09/93 - 08/95
model: ST204L-BCMGKK (MTM), ST204L-BCPGKK (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD, "sport package" 5S-FE
2.2 GT Liftback, labeled like "GT-S"
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST204L-BLMGKK (MTM), ST204L-BLPGKK (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models LHD, "sport package" 5S-FE

ADM - Australian Domestic Market
(cars produced for Australian market)
2.2 ST, labeled like "SX"
code: ST204R-BLMSKQ (MTM), ST204-BLPSKQ (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.2 ST, labeled like "SX-R"
code: ST204R-BLMSKQ (MTM), ST204-BLPSKQ (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.2 ST, labeled like "ZR"
code: ST204R-BLMSKQ (MTM), ST204-BLPSKQ (ATM)
engine: 5S-FE, 135BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftbacks
2.0 GT-four, labeled "WRC group rally"
code: ??? (not sure: ST205R-BLMKQ or ST205R-BLMVKQ)
engine: 3S-GTE, 255BHP
more info: all models RHD, WRC models and only 77 pieces (!!!)

...so post some info here. Let's make that clear...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Aug 25, 2008 - 4:35 AM

[CelicaZR]

SX, SX-R and ZR are all the same.
Its just that the options are difference between them.

SX - is the based model
SX-R - is like the SX, but with more options like fog lights, ZR alloys wheels etc. This model also has the white gauges. This is also known as the runout model.
ZR- Is the top of line model here in Australia.

GT-4 - There was only 77 Australian Delivered ones in 94.
These are the Group A Rallye WRC model.

[Outsider]

I could be wrong but I don't think the USA got the GT-S.
I think it was Canada only. The USA was the GT.

[malpaso]

I could be wrong but I don't think the USA got the GT-S.
I think it was Canada only. The USA was the GT.

Yes I have heard that too ("sport package" edition). However there are some USDM "STs" and "GTs", both with 2.2 engine... How just waiting for response from US...

told you all... it's mystery :-D

This post has been edited by malpaso: Aug 24, 2006 - 7:26 AM

[JonMarkos]

I saw a 6gc at Old Mill Toyota here in Omaha that was a GT-S

[malpaso]

I saw a 6gc at Old Mill Toyota here in Omaha that was a GT-S

good... it seems my theory is right so far because there are model numbers for USDM GT-S coupe and liftback.

I really start to belive USDM 2.2 celicas are two. GTs and STs. GTs are labeled GT-S and STs are labeled just GT... no posts from US members so far -> Im not sure if it's really true.

(Once again... Important is 10th letter from model number (ST204L-BCMGKA). "G" means GT, "S" means ST... And I belive all GT-S owners has "G", all GT owners has "S"...)

[johny]

AT200L-BLMSKW - the 'B' denotes Celica, the 'T' doesn't stand for Toyota - it is the Toyota code for the platform type - in our case the T denotes Celica or Carina.

You know I just want solve one big mystery for me... I belive someone of you with GTs will find code like this: ST204L-BLPSKA => for me is that "ST" celica with 5SFE engine???... How is that possible? Is that one code for our "GT" and code ST204L-BLPGKA for GT-S?

BLPSKA and BLPGKA - the letter in italics denotes the trim level.

The last 2 letters signify the engine type and then the destination, so all US Gen6 Celicas are KA

I have an AT200R-BLMSKW so..........

Its an A series engined,T platformed,6th generation,1.8 litre engined,right hand drive,Celica, liftback,manual transmission,sports/normal trim, twin cam/EFI economy engine,european car

Phew!

This post has been edited by johny: Aug 30, 2006 - 7:23 PM

[behindthesmile]

quick FYI

North America for 6GC's

Canada GTS - 5sfe engine
ST- 7afe engine
GT-imported most likely from the states



US
GT- 5sfe engine
ST- 7afe engine
GTS - celis imported from canada


its confusing cause GT was the lower hp version in the 5th and 7th gen celis and GTS the higher hp one

[malpaso]

Canada GTS - 5sfe engine
ST- 7afe engine
GT-imported most likely from the states

agree, that come up to EPC list of model numbers for Canada. Just 7A-FE ST liftbacks (no label) and GT 5S-FE liftbacks/coupes (GTS label). Thanks, I have everithing clear now about Canadian market...

US
GT- 5sfe engine
ST- 7afe engine
GTS - celis imported from canada

you mentoned not even half! US has seven different 6gen celicas (USDM, not imports). Those model numbers just exists! That means "something" for sure..., but no one from US want to help

[malpaso]

AT200L-BLMSKW - the 'B' denotes Celica, the 'T' doesn't stand for Toyota - it is the Toyota code for the platform type - in our case the T denotes Celica or Carina.

You know I just want solve one big mystery for me... I belive someone of you with GTs will find code like this: ST204L-BLPSKA => for me is that "ST" celica with 5SFE engine???... How is that possible? Is that one code for our "GT" and code ST204L-BLPGKA for GT-S?

BLPSKA and BLPGKA - the letter in italics denotes the trim level.

The last 2 letters signify the engine type and then the destination, so all US Gen6 Celicas are KA

I have an AT200R-BLMSKW so..........

Its an A series engined,T platformed,6th generation,1.8 litre engined,right hand drive,Celica, liftback,manual transmission,sports/normal trim, twin cam/EFI economy engine,european car

Phew!

johny, list of all 6gen celica model numbers is included in this topic. Can you find key for all this? I mean can you tell me what letter means "economy engine/twin cam", what mean "european/non european car (or anything)" and what letter is "sport/normal trim" for all market versions???? I have all those informatins from Toyota Electronic Parts Catalog. There are European, Canadian, US and Japan versions included (Just no Australian one, but thanks to CelicaZR I have info about them too) and there is written which model number belongs to GT model or ST model... and all ST models has third letter from back "S" in model number, all GT models has third letter from back "G". What a coincidence isn't it?... So please post that complete key for us from your source. Thanks.

edit: here, my evidence for sceptics (shot from EPC of one "not existing" ST model... ST with 5S-FE engine for US market)



This post has been edited by malpaso: Aug 31, 2006 - 1:34 AM

[johny]

Here's a LINK that should fill in a few holes for you.

[malpaso]

Here's a LINK that should fill in a few holes for you.

thanks johny... more holes made... that link (general for all toyotas) reports that 'S' = Sports, normal performance and 'G' = Higher grade (general)... So GT-S labeled are general and GT labeled are sports???? So why EPC names ST204L-BLPSKA models "ST type grade"???

[johny]

If you take the 'S' grade to be the base model trim, then 'G' is the next level up.
It does get tricky here as I'm not up-to-speed on the US trim levels etc, so can only give UK specs as an example -

I have a UK spec ST - which is the base model and has a 7A-FE engine
The next grade up is the GT. As well as having a 3S-GE engine there are slight differences in the trim level.

So mine is categorised as an 'S' whereas the UK GT is a 'G'

To further complicate this, many of the trim level items were optional extras..........

I don't think the wording on the link helps either -

May I suugest it should say -

S = Sports car with standard trim
G = Sports car with higher grade than standard trim

Don't forget the trim level codes will cover a wide spectrum.

Am I correct in saying the US base spec 6 have rear drum brakes and manual window winders? The UK base spec 6 has disc brakes all round and electric windows as standard. This give an example of differences in base specification between countries.

[malpaso]

If you take the 'S' grade to be the base model trim, then 'G' is the next level up.
It does get tricky here as I'm not up-to-speed on the US trim levels etc, so can only give UK specs as an example -

I have a UK spec ST - which is the base model and has a 7A-FE engine
The next grade up is the GT. As well as having a 3S-GE engine there are slight differences in the trim level.

So mine is categorised as an 'S' whereas the UK GT is a 'G'
...

that's all clear johny I have also Euro ST . There is no question about Euro, JDM or Australia (here maybe bit). Big mystery is for me that US "grading"...

...
Am I correct in saying the US base spec 6 have rear drum brakes and manual window winders? The UK base spec 6 has disc brakes all round and electric windows as standard. This give an example of differences in base specification between countries....

You are correct... there are so many differences between USDM/CDM and EDM models (not talking about JDM or ADM neither)... And that is the mystery. I don't understand that USDM labeling at all! That's what I'm talking about all the time. Parts catalog say "something" and labeling there say "something different". Members from Canada and Australia already helped about this much (however I still would like to know model numer one of those 77 australian GT-fours . Here are just two or three ) but none of US members...

[TomPoz]

My little stone in your garden: second letter "T" stands for Japan as country of production.

[saleeka]

The reason as to why you think that there are 2.2 5S-FE ST's in our market is because after the sales year 97 in the US, Toyota stripped the model lineup of model grade names completely, and ALL Celicas were then 5S-FE powered (and there were no GT coupes in 97). However, the interior trims of the old ST and GT still could be had (you had to have certain options in the car to get the "GT" grade seats and door trim). Also, many people don't realize that even though Toyota still put the GT badges on cars made after 97, not once will you see Toyota refer to any of the models as GT's. This is partialy why things get confusing.


This also may be a contributing factor, but I have a strong reason to belive that Toyota has certain models that exist "on paper", and my example to you is this- According to information that toyota provides, they produced 1996 GT coupes for the US. The problem is, you can't find ANY anywhere. I think that there is one member here who lists his car as a 96 GT coupe (in the US, remember), but he has no pics of the car, and if we could get the vin we could easily see if they really do exist. The proof that really convinces me that they never ended up being available is that in the 1996 factory brochure for the US, there is one pic of a GT coupe- It's Turquoise Pearl, and it has the new for 96 sideskirts on it. There are 2 problems though. First, the shot does not show any of the front of the car, so we don't see if it has the new style bumper. Second is it still has the old 94-95 style alloy wheels on it with the painted finnish- not the new style machine faced ones... All other shots of the alloys in the brochure have the machine finnish, and there is no distintion made in specs as to having the option of either finnish. this leads me to believe that it's a pre production model that never ended up being built on the assembly line. So yeah, hope that helps...

This post has been edited by saleeka: Nov 28, 2006 - 3:05 PM

[saleeka]

Afetr looking through the list you posted Malpaso- i've noticed a few holes that don't make sense either. First, I thought the canadian market never had coupes produced for them (someone correct me if i'm wrong ). Second, regarding the coupe production dates, I'm almost positive that coupes began production no sooner than 02/94... Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

This post has been edited by saleeka: Nov 28, 2006 - 6:53 PM

[malpaso]

First of all, thanks for your posts saleeka. You are first one here who don't think I'm crazy (about 2.2 5S-FE ST's)

now about those holes:

First, I thought the canadian market never had coupes produced for them (someone correct me if i'm wrong ).

I have this...

...and just dreaming about someone who will bring me real VIN to prove that

Second, regarding the coupe production dates, I'm almost positive that coupes began production no sooner than 02/94...

09/93 for sure... see this

so anyone with car from 94 should have (virtually) 93 model . My celi is perfect example. I have in papers 96 year of made, I have 96 bumper from stock, but my car was made 12/95 .

Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

Agree, my mistake... there were really 1999 liftback US models (ST204L-BLMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPSKA (ATM)). But only those ones and CV's. My model code list was edited, thanks for your notice...

[DippedInSauce]

I have a GT-S, I'm in the US.

I'll post VIN tomorrow. It's too late

[Alex-UKSC]

2.0 SS-II
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMVF (MTM), ST202-BLPVF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftback

SSII details seem spot on except the standard BHP is 178.

[Negative]

Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

Mine. My VIN: JT2DG0279X.....
Things I know for sure I have:
-USDM
-2.2 5S-FE
-Sports Suspension
-Sunroof
-Liftback
-Leather seats, dash, door panels, upgrade arm rest
-TRD Quickshifter (but I have the receipt where the only other owner bought it with the car as an add-on)
-Machine finish rims (sold but was equipped)
-sideskirts and redesigned front bumper and spoiler

Things I know I didn't get:
-Strut Tower Braces [not even front like my '95GT had stock]
Turbo and AWD [Obviously but just for the record - man we got screwed here in NA]

I also have a car club that has had many 6th gens over the last 2-3years and this is what I have noticed:
GT - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe or Liftback
ST - Always 1.8L 7A-FE Coupe or Liftback
Nothing - Always 1.8L 7A-FE [or debadged] with almost no options and many times spoilerless unless it is a 25th anny. edition.
Verts - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe

Hope this helps. Can you confirm the above?

This post has been edited by Negative: Nov 29, 2006 - 12:17 PM

[malpaso]

Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

Mine. My VIN: JT2DG0279X.....
Things I know for sure I have:
-USDM
-2.2 5S-FE
-Sports Suspension
-Sunroof
-Liftback
-Leather seats, dash, door panels, upgrade arm rest
-TRD Quickshifter (but I have the receipt where the only other owner bought it with the car as an add-on)
-Machine finish rims (sold but was equipped)
-sideskirts and redesigned front bumper and spoiler

Things I know I didn't get:
-Strut Tower Braces [not even front like my '95GT had stock]
Turbo and AWD [Obviously but just for the record - man we got screwed here in NA]

I also have a car club that has had many 6th gens over the last 2-3years and this is what I have noticed:
GT - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe or Liftback
ST - Always 1.8L 7A-FE Coupe or Liftback
Nothing - Always 1.8L 7A-FE [or debadged] with almost no options and many times spoilerless unless it is a 25th anny. edition.
Verts - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe

Hope this helps. Can you confirm the above?

Sorry I can't find anything sure from that part of VIN. I need all numbers for that (or model number for checking parts, but from model number I still can't find year of made etc.). If you want PM me that...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Nov 30, 2006 - 3:19 AM

[giang723]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

[Negative]

You're 5S right? I think you are the same as USDM GT and CSDM GTS. I think.

[malpaso]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

It's US 2.2 engine, UK interior and JDM body (some AU versions has 1/2 JDM interior too)

[Negative]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

It's US 2.2 engine, UK interior and JDM body (some AU versions has 1/2 JDM interior too)

By interior you mean RHD? Or what?

[malpaso]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

It's US 2.2 engine, UK interior and JDM body (some AU versions has 1/2 JDM interior too)

By interior you mean RHD? Or what?

yes RHD like JDM are, but with non-JDM climate controls... so I should also say "Euro interior with RHD"

This post has been edited by malpaso: Dec 6, 2006 - 2:44 AM

[giang723]

woot, that means i've partially hav a JDM thanks for the input guys