more clutch problems Options

[quicknstyle]

ok, so im coasting down to a stop when i get home, and all of a suddent when i try to put it in gear, the clutch has like a pop, and i cant engage in my gear, and when i press the clutch all the way in, it has like a loud whine, almost grind... i hope its not the clutch, i just changed it out about 2 years ago, not a lot of miles, no racing and i dont ride the clutch... plus there wasnt any burning and it has engaged fine the entire time...the only thing that i can think of that would be considered signs of wear would be is before, at idle, the car rand fine, then with the clutch pressed, no matter how far, there would be a slight whine/whistle... my thinking it has something to do with the hydrolic system, anyone have any input???

[Bitter]

check the clutch system for leaks, low fluid level, bleed the system.

[quicknstyle]

well i checked it out after my vacation, found something in my fluid resevoir i never noticed before, a black plastic circular thing floating in there, dont think thats normal, but maybe i just never noticed before... when started, i can engage in gears, just that loud ass whine when i depress the pedal, and the pedal doesnt seem to be as long as it used to, and also a bit harder to push... anything else?

[hitcachi]

yes that black floating thing is normal, its in all of them. Did you bleed the system yet? Do that first. Then post back.

[quicknstyle]

ok, well i have not bleeded the system yet... i dont have any tools since i moved out of my parents house... well, after thinking and discussing with my mechanics at my job, (i work at carmax) thay were saying the same thing, but the tow to get it there would have been an arm and a leg, so i towed it to this place near by called cottmans transmission, i figured since they are franchised, i figured they must be pretty damn reputable, but any ways, they say the whining noise is coming from the transmission, nothing hydrolic, and its going to cost me another 250 just to drop the transmission so they can further diagnose it... something sounds fishy... it has to be something with the hydrolics of it... before my car would start, but now, it wont start because i think anyways, the clutch isnt pressed far enough in.... before when it did start i could engage it in all gears fine, and when it was off as well i can engage fine... so why or how would it be my tranny??? something sounds f-ed up... i havent signed anything off to them to authorize anything yet so...

[tnltracy]

I'm new to 6GC forums, but not maintenance on cars. Whining when you press the clutch pedal sound to me like a bad throw out bearing.

I've had my 6GCV for only a few weeks. so still finding my way around the engine compartment. I didn't realize these had a hydraulic clutch. Mine grabs a bit high on teh pedal (~83k miles), so hopefully has some adjustment still before it needs a new clutch.

[quicknstyle]

but the fact that i have no pressure when i depress the clutch until the last inch or so perplexes me...

[Bitter]

the low pedal is most likely air in the system.

[quicknstyle]

ok so they said its my throw out bearring, now they also say that i need a new clutch, so... their "great" price for all the labor and parts, and resurfacing the fly came out to about 1500 bucks... something doesnt sound right, and i still dont know why i need a new clutch already... i dont do any hard driving at all and ive only had it for a little over 30k miles... are they trying to f with me?

[bindertch]

If I was you I would get a quote from another shop. The described sound does sound like the throwout bearing. I would suspect either the master or slave cylinder for the not going into gear. I had the slave go out on a Ford that I had and it wouldn't go into gear unless the engine was off. My advice is to cut your losses and have it towed to another shop to have it checked out. Good luck.

[tnltracy]

Agreed. sounds like they're going for as much out of you as possible. Throwout bearing doesn't suggest clutch is bad, and technically they aren't related beyond both being wear items.

I'd get the car towed elsewhere, $1500 sounds real high for a clutch replacement.

Have your clutch hydraulics bled and you'll likley be able to drive again, but with a noisy throw out bearing, at least for a bit, but definatley get that replaced.

[dubk]

they're raping you on that. change out the master and slave cylinder and replace fluids. T/O bearing will whine if you didn't replace it with OE when it was changed.

[TurboZo]

Clutch replacement should be around 500-600 with OE parts. the dealer charges 1k+. whining noises while putting pressure on the pedal usually does mean a TO bearing. If you will be dropping your tranny, its worth to change out the clutch plate, pressure plate and bearing. As an alternative to Toyota parts, I've heard good things about the Exedy OE replacement kits, and they only run about $115 for the whole kit. You may also want to consider the rear main seal.

Take it to another shop and get a second opinion.

Good luck,
Zo

[rivaderci]

Yes it is your Throw out bearing and the reason your pedal is low is because when the T.O.Bearing goes often the nearing has been over heating and the fork can get red hot and finally bend back from the pressure you put on it when you press on the clutch pedal. I had a fleet of trucks and I would usually replace the fork the T.O. bearing sits on at the same time. It was 8 bucks for the fork back in the 80's for a ford truck fork and it snapped in and out when the trans was pulled back. While the trans is apart changing all the moving parts at the same time saves lots of headaches later. Trying to save a few bucks even 100 bucks will give you more than that much headaches later, particularly iyou intend keeping the car.

ok so they said its my throw out bearring, now they also say that i need a new clutch, so... their "great" price for all the labor and parts, and resurfacing the fly came out to about 1500 bucks... something doesnt sound right, and i still dont know why i need a new clutch already... i dont do any hard driving at all and ive only had it for a little over 30k miles... are they trying to f with me?

[quicknstyle]

well after pleading with the guys and getting my manager at carmax (we recommend a lot of customers to that shop) to talk to him, he said he could do a little more for that price, so i got my tranny rebuilt along with everything, so hey... it feels a LOT smoother than i have ever noticed... so problem solved i guess, just sucks that i had to have all this done since im planning on doing the swap around december...