gen2 gen3 performance comparison Options

[simplyturbo]

Below is a small list that i have gathered for myself over time trying to compare bang for the buck. It just gets overwhelming when reading and searching all the products out there that you can easily get caught up in names, crazy hp numbers, and mind blowing money without actually taking a step back and realize what exactly you are getting.....and what else might be available for the kind of money. Its very easy to just throw your money at something and then realize if you sacrifice 20-30whp but save major money $$$$. When writing it all down and seeing them side by side.....part for part......dollar for dollar you can get a great handle on achieving your own personal goal. And when i was younger i always wanted like 500000000000whp LOLOLOLOLOL but now after riding in several different cars, i have found my own perosnal goal/ride/enjoyment. If you haven't been in anything faster then 14seconds try to get in a couple different setups. You may be surprised to find you don't need the hp that you think you may. Again this a personal list i thought I would share, and yes i understand there are 1000000 different ways to put these setups together.

Details about Gen2 3sgte:
AFM
L-Jetronic engine management
ct26
10psi stock boost
12 psi factory fuel cut
8.8 compression ratio
7200rpm redline
430cc injectors
metal head gasket
TVIS
55mm throttle body
inlet valve lift 8.2
fuel pressure 36psi

Details about Gen3 3sgte:
Bosch D-Jetronic engine management
Ct20B
MAP
Stock boost 13psi
Factory fuel cut 18psi
8.5 compression ratio
7700rpm redline
Factory 540cc injectors
Stainless Steel head gasket
TVIS eliminated
60mm throttle body
valve lift increased to 8.7
fuel pressure 41psi
revised intake manifold
Different ECU
Bigger bore fuel rail
Factory LSD in 80+% of MR2's (E153)
Factory catch can
Better oil cooler
relocated oil filter
No 1 Compression ring described as Stainless Steel
Slightly more aggressive cams

Stock Gen2 Swap
Gen2 clip if its an mr2 clip you get the E153 transmission and axles 2200
FMIC and piping 500
Upgraded clutch (optional but recommended) 450
FCD (optional) 50
3" turbo back (optional but recommended) 600
Water/alcohol injection with 6gph nozzle (window washer fluid) (optional) 200
Ecu work 350
Intake (optional) 30
BOV (optional) 200
Boost controller (optional) 100
Walboro fuel pump 100
Gasket, timing belt, water pump, fluids, misc (optional but highly recommended) 500

Swap totals 5280 as stated above with everything included There are short cuts to be had here, based on options and what you might be able to get other parts for. As for clutch and Gasket, timing belt, water pump, fluids, misc, these are not things you want to be fixing when the motor and trans are in the car. Makes life harder, and much more time consuming then when you have the motor sitting on a stand. But its your swap so chose what "optional features/service" you don't wanna do and subtract from price.

***5280-----247whp 260flbs @16psi with 50/50 mix in Water/alcohol injection, with non-LSD*** aka window washer fluid

Gen2 performance option 1
CT20B 600
5 Gallons of denatured alcohol 50
SAFC for tunning 200

***850-----300-310whp with 100% Alcohol injection, with non-LSD***

Gen2 performance option 2
ATS racing 20g rom tune kit (cheaper kits available if less hp is desired) 3100
kit includes:
ATS TDO6 20G turbocharger kit
ATS 550cc ROM TUNE
ATS modified fuel rail
flow tested Toyota 550cc fuel injectors (apposed to the stock 440's)
walboro fuel pump
170 degree thermostat

***3100-----330-350whp @18psi with 50/50 mix in Water/alcohol injection, with non-LSD***

Gen2 performance option 3
Stand alone---Hydro Nemisis for example starts at 1500
wideband if not bought with ems unit 300
turbo kit of choice 2000
injectors of choice 500
Set of cams, spring, and adjustable cam gears 1000
tunning 800

I understand that you don't need cams....or even an upgraded turbo for that matter to use a stand alone, but i figure if im paying some guy 800 bucks to tune my car.......i don't wanna be calling him back anytime soon bc i didn't need them when the tuner came up. And god knows i wouldn't want to pay an additional 800 just to tune cams, or bigger turbo, or bigger injectors!!!!! This section can vary drastically depending on how extravagant you go. And the number listed below can vary drastically depending on how far you take the motor.....for example head work, built bottom end, etc....at this point you can practically pick the hp you want to run and buy the injectors and turbo to match. If over 400 whp is desired, you may want to start looking into a built bottom end.

***6300-----350whp to limits of stock bottom end (400-450) non-LSD***

Stock Gen3 swap
Mr2 clip with LSD E153 (what i prefer) or GT4 clip (cant use transmission) 4000
FMIC and piping 500
Upgraded clutch (optional but recommended) 450
3" turbo back (optional but recommended) 600
Water/alcohol injection with 6gph nozzle (window washer fluid) (optional) 200
Ecu work 350
Intake (optional) 30
BOV (optional) 200
Boost controller (optional) 100
Walboro fuel pump 100
Gasket, timing belt, water pump, fluids, misc (optional but highly recommended) 500

Swap totals 7000 as stated above with everything included There are short cuts to be had here, based on options and what you might be able to get other parts for. As for clutch and Gasket, timing belt, water pump, fluids, misc, these are not things you want to be fixing when the motor and trans are in the car. Makes life harder, and much more time consuming then when you have the motor sitting on a stand. But its your swap so chose what "optional features/service" you don't wanna do and subtract from price.

***7000-----290whp @18psi with 50/50 mix in Water/alcohol injection and LSD***

Gen3 performance option 1
FCD 200
5 gallons of 100% denatured alcohol 50

***250-----320whp @20psi with 100% Alcohol injection and LSD***


Gen3 performance option 2
TDO6 20g turbo kit from Ats racing (any will do, this is what i like) 2100
5 gallons of denatured alcohol 50

***2150----363whp @19psi with 100% Alcohol injection and LSD***


Gen3 performance option 3
Stand alone---Hydro Nemisis for example starts at 1500
wideband if not bought with ems unit 300
turbo kit of choice 2000
injectors of choice 500
Set of cams, spring, and adjustable cam gears 1000
tunning 800

I understand that you don't need cams....or even an upgraded turbo for that matter to use a stand alone, but i figure if im paying some guy 800 bucks to tune my car.......i don't wanna be calling him back anytime soon bc i didn't need them when the tuner came up. And god knows i wouldn't want to pay an additional 800 just to tune cams, or bigger turbo, or bigger injectors!!!!! This section can vary drastically depending on how extravagant you go. And the number listed below can vary drastically depending on how far you take the motor.....for example head work, built bottom end, etc....at this point you can practically pick the hp you want to run and buy the injectors and turbo to match. If over 400 whp is desired, you may want to start looking into a built bottom end.

***6300-----350whp to limits of stock bottom end (400-450) with LSD***



additional combinations with prices and whp would be great. Please have some backing behind your numbers.....where i have retrieved all of mine off MR2OC.com. Thanks