Beams Red top Vs *MZ-FE, Nope, no 3sgte please. Options

[njccmd2002]

Need your help. 3sgte, I have decided against this. This is not a useless post, swap is a coming!! but dont know what!!



Please Disregard swap cost, dont tell me why it cant be done, or too difficult, i dont care.

If i had 2 celicas, identical same color and everything. One is a V6 and the other one is beams, what do you want. This is not a discussion about cost, or how hard it is to swap.

I have seen HP is about the same, however there are torque differences. What does that entail?

V6 has a little more torque. I read some posts, but i know is what keeps the engine going, like momentum, but in practicality, what is it? , what does that mean to me?

Yes, I dont want hassle with turbo, at least for now, the v6 can be supercharged.

My goal is to push at least 190 hp, thats for now.

I just cant decide, im torn, i need opinions. Beams is gorgeous, but a V6 is magnificent.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Sep 10, 2009 - 8:34 AM

[playr158]

v6...better parts availability and cheaper to maintain

[95CelicaST]

V6 might be a bit harder to maintain due to the lack of space to work in.

But the V6 is going to have more parts available than the beams.

[njccmd2002]

thats what i have tought, but the beams looks Cool, I could always paint the V6 cover Red.


What about the torque? Is more torque better?

[Euphoria]

v6 is going to use more fuel when its pushed than the 4 cylinder will, and will use more around town in general.

of course torque is better, torque is what makes the car feel fast! that's why alot of the time v8's feel so fast, sometimes they aren't even that quick, but the torque causes it to feel faster. If you want to read more into it look it up on wiki

the v6 im am guessing is a heavier engine which would cause the car to understeer more than the beams.

and the v6 in my opinion sounds better, but Id personally forget the flaws and take it over a beams.

[njccmd2002]

yeah i read the wiki, and was like, WT? too much tech stuff. but that gives a good idea..

[Culpable04]

depending on which v6 engine you go with, your car will also be lighter as the v6 came in alluminum block, someone here with a v6 weight his car just under 2500, that's lighter than a fully loaded GT, so is also a better deal on that sense.

Once you get over the fact of " wow a beams " is not that good of an option unless you are looking for rarity.

I'd say V6 if these are your options.

[njccmd2002]

Yeah, im just scared of the parts, and fact that i cant get the 3sge repair manual, in case it needs to be tore down, plus the fact nobody will know how to work with it, but its a BEAMs, !

i think, im getting closer to decide.....

[BonzaiCelica]

well njccmd2002. ya it depends what v6 you get like some members already said. if you look at snapshots celica. i believe he has v6 from the 96-99 toyota camry. dont know the exact name. also his custom made cross member was really close to the ground. you will have limited space to work on the engine. check out his video of him acclerating from 0-80 mph its pretty darn fast. probably a tad bit faster than 3sge redtop.

about the redtop manual, im sure you know of this but they are in the process of translating the whole japanese manual and putting it into a pdf file. They have been doing it for around 3.5 months now and are about halfway done with the manual.


oh c'mon culpable the redtop was ment for the celica. of course the beams is darn good, one of the best n/a engines toyota's every built, along with the 4age.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 9, 2009 - 4:38 PM

[njccmd2002]

I was reading that the manual was already available, but they dont want to give it out. mmm, that is different.

[blu94gt]

If you do a 1mzfe you have a few advantages. 1 would be that it's cheaper, since there's a million Camrys and Solaras that use that motor. 2 would be that the parts are a lot more readily available than the 3sge. Plus the motor is all aluminum, and there's a TRD supercharger available for it if you want more power.

If I remember correctly, there's like one motor mount that is different for the v6 (at least this is true for MR2 swaps, I researched putting one in a deuce). The 5sfe and 3sgte trans should bolt up, so you can use yours or try to find an MR2 tranny with LSD.

[njccmd2002]

so the 5s Tranny from a v6 solara wont fit on the celica, right? aint it supposed to be a e153 too?

the problem with using my tranny is the high rpms, i was reading about the hybrid camry / celica transmission, bu the E-153 seems like a headache axle deal.

[azian_advanced]

For daily driving, I'd go with the V6.
For weekend spirited driving / show, I'd go with the Beams.

[Bitter]

V6, torque is awesomw, torque from a standstill is even better.

[808celica]

my v6 *mz-fe in my sienna van get better mpg that my 5s
I would go mz-fe just because if you need anything it should be easy to find parts. dunno how parts hunting for the beams would go.

[Superaison]

Would a v6 AWD celica be quick? Why dont people put the v6 in gt4's?

[urbandork]

Would a v6 AWD celica be quick? Why dont people put the v6 in gt4's?

a gt4 already has the 3sgte in it

[SwissFerdi]

3S-GTE ≠ V6.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Sep 10, 2009 - 12:43 AM

[fibrewizard]

ok....let me in.....

lol....

IMO opinion....

beams.. wow cool.... seriously.... but thats all..... unless you want to go full house N/A build....

V6...... has heaps of parts available..... HEAPS... cause there are so many on the road....and therefore parts are made and are cheap.....supply V demand...

V6 with e153 gearbox will be just as easy if not easier to install then a beams..... not much difference....
you still gotta wire it up to ecu and get other stuff like exhaust and power steering stuff done.......

i see the V6 conversion is getting so popular lately and there is a world of choices of engines to put in....
2vzfe, 3vzfe, 1mzfe, 3mzfe. all great motors and have very little difference besides the way they are built, eg all alloy....

the beauty of the 1-3mzfe's is that they have VVTI like the 7th gen celica and the beams 3sge.... so not only do you get the kick from the torque but you get the high ends revs from the cams.........best option IMO.....

i went with the 3vzfe cause i want to boost soon and the 3vzfe being cast steel block, rods, crank, can handle upto 10psi of boost before you need to start messing with internals......

base model 3vzfe's have 180-190 hp..... later models have 200hp..(like mine)......mz series motors have much the same......

free up the intake with a decent filter and add a well made exhaust y-pipe merge and you gain more power, then aftermarket ecu and even more power is un-tamed.....so for sheer potential and the coolest celica around...lol.....

IN MY experience V6 is the only option........for me at least anyhow........

[fibrewizard]

oh and as for AWD V6...

i know a lad that is currently in the process of building this.........

so it can be done.....

AWD Twin Turbo V6 gt.....yes a AWD GT...... not an alltrac....

will hit him up to post some of his pics.... the Alltrac gearbox and block of engine need minor mods but it fits and works a charm.........

The lauch from this thing is gonna spin the earth off it AXIS