95 auto 1mz project, started a list Options

[sidesh0]

hay guys, just bought my first 6gen bout a week ago, after my 87 gt-s was stolen about 6 months ago.

so now i have a 95 gt auto. decided i want to swap for the 1mz. done a lot of research and put together a list, but im still not clear on a couple things. hoping some of the badasses on 6gc can help me out.

so to start

1mzfe engine
hopefully one from a 03+ solara or sienna
with the wiring harness, ecu, intake,
solara ps pump, stock auto exhaust headers.

i know i gotta get my harness wired up, custom passenger mount and y pipe
(smaays looks beautiful by the way. definitely going to hit you up soon, if your still doing that)

but i still have a couple ?? marks over my head. and that is

will there be any problems with my stock auto trans. haha auto trans. say what you want.
but im going lsd and upgrading to handle the power. main question is, will it shift fine?? wire up just fine?

the only other questions are about obdII, and the fpr hookup,
specifically what is needed to make my 95 celica obdII. the evap system and such.
i live in cali. so smog is a must. ive heard its harder than the pre 97s,
but im curious what it really takes. cuz i really want to stay away from the sluge doomed years.

hope this interested anybody, lookin to get some help from the gurus here at 6gc.com, thanks guys.

This post has been edited by sidesh0: Nov 17, 2012 - 4:54 PM

[Smaay]

i dont buy into the sludge issues. i will blame that all on poor maintenance.

i suggest using the auto from the camry or solara. you will need all mounts fabricated. i dont think the ECU will like your stock celica trans.

no as for ODBII, since you have a 95, i would stay with the earlier 1MZs that have return style fuel systems. that way you can use the regulator on the 1MZ rails.

what i did is convert my rails to a return style and use an adjustable FPR in static mode. i didnt hook up the vacuum reference. technically i will not pass the BAR that way. im hoping i can explain it.

[sidesh0]

smaay thanks for the quick reply. you are one of the mad men ive been looking to talk to, that being said.

this kinda blows. i really thought the 1mz would bolt right up. swap guide shows the a140e as an option, and the a541e has exactly the same gear ratio with a tiny bit longer fourth gear.

so im curious would the mounts for the camry auto trans be the same as the ones for your manual. or is it a totally different trans/shape? idont think my pops welder is strong enough to be fabing mounts. if you can get those made up id be willing to pay alot for um. already about 100% sure im going to hit you up for one of your "swap kits".

when it comes to the motor itself, was really looking to get a newer one with low miles. everything says the pre 97s have less hp.. and we all know that more is what were looking for.

about your fpr, ive heard about this little trick, is there no way to hook up your vac ref? or just a bitch to do?

again thank you for your prompt response. looking at buying a block this month.

[kurt95gt]

The stock trans will bolt up to the 1mz but finding a flex plate torque converter combo that will bolt to the 1mz an still fit the trans like it needs to.

I don't think the computer will care as much tho if the gearing is like you say.
The camry trans would be best but after pulling the motor out of a avalon I can tell you for sure the auto celica an auto camry v6 share no mounts.
You best bet will be to see if you can get the stock 5s flex plate bored out an the center holes redrilled to match the 1mz or have the 1mz flex plate redrilled to match the stock celica torque converter.

The evap system isn't as hard as it seems you'll hook the stock charcoal can from the 1mz car into the top evap line of the old celica evap system an leave the old celica check valve inplqce on the lower evap line. I'm still trying to figure out yet if I need to t that line back into the charcoal can yet. Haven't found a lot of info on it.

You can get a newer motor like you want an switch to a 94-96 lower intake like I did.
Then if you run a 97+ ecu you'll have to bypass the stock fpr an use an adjustable fpr an turn the pressure up to 52 psi witch is what the 97+ ecu's is set for. The vac line isn't hard to hook up just hook it up to the stock fpr vac line an to the nipple on the new fpr.
I've had mine both ways an it doesn't seem to affect the car eather way.
Unless there's something I'm missing that elastic knows that I don't that's how it works.

Oh an Mr220v does amazing wire harness work on these 1mz swaps

[sidesh0]

holy crap thank you kurt, huge help!.

i really like the thought of modding the flex plates, gunna have to look into which would be easier/more reliable.

the evap sys. doesnt seem too be too scarey at all, just as long as the ecu likes it. ie: check engine light.

and just to be clear if i used a pre 97 ecu with that lower intake hybrid, i could skip the fpr and evap.
or would that be defeating the purpose of getting the newer motor? guess im asking does the 97+ ecu=the increased hp, or the upper intake and other components?

thank you very much for the help. this is looking more and more possible every day. an yes i absolutely plan on getting ahold or mr220v for my harness, you think he'd be up for answering some ?s about the compatibility of my stock auto trans and the ecu?

[kurt95gt]

Mr220v was more than happy to awnser any question I had about the swap. There is 2 problems
Problem #1 is its hard to keep all the codes cleared. But those are mainly the trans codes so you might not have that problem.
#2 94 an 95 had 6 coil packs where as 96+ is wasted spark with only 3 coils.
Then a 96 only ecu problem- you can't read codes as eather Obd1 or Obd2!
Found that out the hard way. You best bet is a 97+ engine with a 94-96 lower intake with the aftermarket fpr an no matter what year esc you go with you'll have to hook up the evap.depending on the year there's 2-3 sensors in the evap system alone.
You'll gain the HP from the computer since I beleave a lot if it over the years was tuning un the ecu/the add on of vvti in the later model of the 1mz. But the easiest HP gains from the start is exhaust an intake. From what I've read it'll basically bump your wheel HP to what your stock crank HP.
Plus these motors sound amazing around 6500 with a nice open 2.5 inch exhaust. An the intake is simple as ordering one off eBay.

[Smaay]

if you go with the aftermarket FPR do not hook up a vacuum line. that will keep the pressure set constant. if you hook up a line when you are idling the pressure will go down.

my setup i took the non return fuel rails and drilled out the ends and tapped them for AN -6. so standing in front of the car, i have fuel going into the closest rail on the right side. i made a small pass through hose to feed the other rail, then back out the right side to the regulator. then from the regulator back to the tank using the stock return fuel line.

[kurt95gt]

Hmm maybe my fpr is junk cuz it never changes? With or with out the vac hooked up
An if you use the 94-96 lower all you have to do is remove the stock fpr an bolt in one of the adapter plates that should come with the new fpr

Smaay I really mean I think my fpr might be junk BTW cuz even if I try to adjust it it won't go above or below 52-53 psi

This post has been edited by kurt95gt: Nov 19, 2012 - 10:43 AM

[Smaay]

yeah sounds like its bad. what kind is it? im using an Aeromotive.

[sidesh0]

Hay guys thanks again, Sry I didn't get back sooner. Found out I have a kidney infection.

But it looks like ill be going with a 97+ 1mz and ecu, pre 97 lower intake.
And the only other thought is the trans.
Now when you said the avalons auto didn't share a single mount does that mean I shouldn't attempt. Like are they in a completely different location?

Yeah intake and headers/exhaust are generaly the quickest bolt on HP upgrades. My pops is a certified mech.
On my gts I had my stock headers port an polish highflow cat and custom cat back, and Custom intake.
List of other parts. I miss my 3sge, had her just about maxed out. Na that is. but now I want MORE TORQUE.

Thank you guys a lot. With what I've got in front of me, You guys make this swap look easy.

[kurt95gt]

The mounting spots were way off.

As in the rear mount an the pass side axle mount were the same mount an about a foot away from where the celica mount would be. Then the front mount is on the engine too an these a shock mounted roughly where the mount would be on the celica. I can't remember on the drivers side mount tho
The stock trans will be much easier to use but is be concerned with the durablity of it backed by a 1mz

Honestly why not go 5speed?

Oh an smaay my is a cheap eBay nock off
I got one from a buddy an I think he said it a aem
Not 100% sure tho

[sidesh0]

well i guess the a541e is out of the question.
its a real trip cuz, the avalon 4 banger has the same exact motor/trans setup as my auto gt celi. 5sfe with a140e.
bummer. im a lil worried about the a140e holding up to that kind of torque too.
but i did find a place online that will upgrade the crap out of my a140e or sell me one thats already all raced out.
now that i think of it i should probably get ahold of them about this flex plate modification.

y not go five speed? good question.
well i had lsd and about 2000 bucks in shift kit and valve train upgrades on my gt-s... she was just so smooth, i could trick it to race in the hills and in town. call me lazy but she always knew what gear to choose, never lost a race... well i dont count the saleen mustang i was silly enough to rev my engine at. not a good idea..
to conclude i love the luxury of having my vehicle take me from for where i am to where i need to be.
my kl250 and klx 400 are what i like rippin though gears on.
cali's so strict. gotta keep most of the real fun off road, cops around here LOVE tuners.(if you catch my drift)

cant thank you guys enough for the help. maybe after i get this done ill have to try to hit up one of these meets i keep hearing about.

This post has been edited by sidesh0: Nov 20, 2012 - 1:38 AM

[Smaay]

just because the mounts are not in the right spot a good fabricator can build engine mounts that will support it. but another issue you might have is axles, now here is something interesting, if your stock auto bolts to the 5S-FE then it will bolt to the 1MZ. they have the same bolt pattern. if the torque converter on your trans will bolt to the flex plate on the 1MZ then you are golden. its entirely possible that the 1MZ ECU will run your stock trans. this is all uncharted territory so im guessing here

[kurt95gt]

Yea a good fab shop should be able to make the mounts if you got the extra money to throw at it . But like smaay just said axles may end uo being a nightmare although a similar setup to what e153 guys run may work with auto team immerse with 5speed outers. MAYBE I have no clue if they will or not . Buy smaay does have a good point check the mounting point on both flex plate the mount holes may be the same for the torque converter

[sidesh0]

alright sounds like i need to drop for 1mz very soon. got a place we call recycle road out here. its got pick an pulls for every brand. an i know the guy that owns the toyauto mart pretty well after all the parts i used to get for my gt-s. so im hopeing i ll be able to get a pretty good deal on the block and dressings.

but i gotta throw a new water pump in this 5s before i get to do anything fun,
danmn thing went out like the day after i bought it, pissing coolant all over herself, got all the parts and it starts raining.

but i guess thats what you get when you get a 95 celi for 1500.. otherwise nice car.

i feel pretty dumb but, i cant figure out how to get pics on here, asks for url. got pic donno how to post them... noob

[kurt95gt]

Gotta upload them to Photobucket or a similar site an use a direct link for the pic from that site to do it

[sidesh0]

so heres the gt-s.... god i miss you baby

and the new project

she came with jdm seats

[kurt95gt]

I had those same rims on my old celica lol
An I mean both sets lol

[Smaay]

those are factory seats in the early celicas. sorry to burst your bubble but i have seen several Celicas with the stitched seats

[mr220v]

For a California car, you will want to run a 1997 1mzfe....at least if you plan on taking it to the ref. You have to stick with years that had a manual transmission as an option. 1997 had the manual transmission, and has the advantage of being preimmobilizer.

This post has been edited by mr220v: Nov 21, 2012 - 10:06 AM