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 May 18, 2004 - 5:05 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Nov 25, '03 From Pittsburgh, PA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
How much hp to you actually gain from turboing your 7afe and boosting 7psi? whats the hp per psi? with stock 9.5cr and maybe 9cr??? anyone?
I really wannted to do nos, but i figure, ill look in to turbo too. HP Gain for the money is great for nos though. |
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May 18, 2004 - 5:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I think someone with 7-8 lbs boost was doing 172 whp, dont quote me on it though.
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May 18, 2004 - 5:15 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
172 is an amazing increase...seems a bit high. but idk.
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May 18, 2004 - 5:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I know I saw a dyno with 172 as its output, im pretty sure it wasnt over 8 psi.
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May 18, 2004 - 5:40 PM
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7AFE + 7PSI = 155-160wHP i'd imagine. 172wHP is too high.
Considering an ST runs about 90wHP stock, I believe 1PSI = 7-10HP. |
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May 18, 2004 - 6:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it was on the board, a dyno of a 7afe turbo it was 172 I KNOW. I know its high, I couldnt beleive it either, but it was a true dyno sheet.
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May 18, 2004 - 6:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 23, '03 From ky Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
zipstrips is his name, the car was a 5spd and i think 8psi, stock motor/fuel hit 160whp 170fpt. The 7afe actually see's descent gains on small amount of boost.
those are the correct numbers judging by his profile, some odd reason i remember it being higher. This post has been edited by Einhander: May 18, 2004 - 6:14 PM |
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May 18, 2004 - 6:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thank god im not the only one who remembered this!! Thanks man
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May 18, 2004 - 6:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 23, '03 From ky Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
no problem, being a troll sometimes helps, i am on here most of the day.
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May 18, 2004 - 6:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
me too thats how I saw it, but im horrible with names
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May 18, 2004 - 6:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
150 WHEEL HP? Thats like 180hp, i think ur getting Wheel and crank mixed up. 172 at the crank is feasible with the necessary components. The 3sgte is is a bigger engine and 160 to the wheels is around 190 at the crank if not more. The 3s produces 200 at the crank. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 18, 2004 - 6:36 PM -------------------- |
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May 18, 2004 - 6:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it was 172 AT THE WHEELS I know the difference, it was a dyno it was 172 WHP I remember because it amazed me too man, I think it was zip strips not sure though.
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May 18, 2004 - 6:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
What else was done to the motor? Slapping a turbo on a 7afe doesnt produce those figures straight out or else everyone would be doing that instead of a 3s.
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May 18, 2004 - 6:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
lets get zipstrips in, I dint build his car....
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May 18, 2004 - 7:03 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 13, '02 From So Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
believe it people! lol
im only running 4 psi and get acceleration seen in 2nd gear throughout ALL the gears --------------------  |
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May 18, 2004 - 7:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Forkee how much was your setup and how long have you had it on? any problems?
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May 18, 2004 - 7:10 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 3, '02 From Va Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Sorry about what i said above i was thinking of this 7afe 
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May 18, 2004 - 7:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
see my profile
 its real, also sold too  on to bigger and better things.like some n20 powered sr20de motors and hopefully a 3s will be coming soon. |
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May 18, 2004 - 7:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
How much did it go for... I woulda died for that setup
*hail zipstrips*
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May 18, 2004 - 7:43 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
it went for 1100 not complete to me
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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May 18, 2004 - 7:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Thats 160 at the crank right? -------------------- |
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May 18, 2004 - 8:28 PM
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Ahh, iam on my way to being an St-T and I can not wait...
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May 18, 2004 - 8:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 23, '03 From ky Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I've been a 7afte'er once, and as soon as i get the body work done i will be again. . . . .only thing time 10-15psi instead of 4psi.
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May 18, 2004 - 9:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '04 From Las Vegas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
wow, it would be nice to have a little more power... but guys you are looking to spend a lot of money on a not so expensive car. and it still wont be a 14sec car
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May 18, 2004 - 10:38 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I saw a rolla 7a with 8 or 9 PSI and an underdrive pully. He claimed dynoing 180ish at the wheels.
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May 18, 2004 - 10:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ive contemplated the 7a-fte route, and thats the exact thing i came up with.... so i came to the conclusion live with it being slow untill i get my next car, and just get a faster car next time... --------------------  |
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May 18, 2004 - 11:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 25, '03 From Pittsburgh, PA, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Im gonna get forged pistons, rings, and rods and do an occational 100-shot. it will cost me around 1200 to do the whole thing... alot better than turbo for the $ if you ask me.
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May 19, 2004 - 6:22 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
how are you going to be running such high boost?? did you do internal work?? Explain.... |
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May 19, 2004 - 7:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
I've never seen any car lose ONLY 18hp to the wheels, buddy. Thats VERY good...and very unlikely. Drivetrain powerloss usually is between 15% - 25%, depending on the actual transmission, and whether or not its auto. The automatic trannys generally range from 20 - 25%. 180 at the crank and 162 to the wheels is roughly 9%. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 19, 2004 - 7:27 AM -------------------- |
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May 19, 2004 - 11:27 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '04 From Washington Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
forkee and zipstrips,
What all did you use for this swap, just a turbo, intercooler, and some custom piping?? I would love to do this, but what's the parts list?
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May 19, 2004 - 1:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i actually read somewhere that the new gts only has like an 11% drivetrain loss. when the torque converter on an auto tranny is locked, it is more efficient than a manual tranny, but locking up isnt a constant thing. zipstrips made 172 whp and more torwque with a t3/t4 hybrid, fmic, NX ntercooler sprayer, greddy exhaust, EGR removed and Cat gutted at around 9-10psi, and he was even having problems on the dyno that day. my car is an auto and with my setup(which i sold to forkee) i was running 7.5psi and fuel cutting becuase i didnt have enough check valves with a DSM side mount intercooler and ABS piping (forkee is fmic with metal piping) under those conditions from 50mph to 110mph, i caught up to an RSX type S with exhaust, from what i could see, that cut me off and passed him with good speed. once i got the kinks worked out i ran 8psi, and it hauled ass. i still had the factory cat and mid pipe then a 2.5 inch catback. if i actually had a 2.5 inch midpipe and atleast a high flow cat, my spool time would have been cut by a good amount and high end power would have seen a good increase. i would say i had a little more crank hp than a celica GTS, but i had a much much better powerband and boat loads more torque. GTS's were no problem for me as with integra GSR's, all model preludes and RSX S's. i had them on the launch, and i had them through shifts, and the only time my auto tranny held me back was when it had to downshift if i was going from a roll(not even half a second's delay) This post has been edited by 97sccelica: May 19, 2004 - 1:26 PM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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May 19, 2004 - 1:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
hey 97sccelica i bought zipstrips turbo set-up. I have 2.25 custom exhaust do you think that will be good enough?
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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May 19, 2004 - 2:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
also 97, what size piping did you have in the engine, running from the turbo to the intercooler back to the TB?
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May 19, 2004 - 5:17 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '03 From Tampa FL Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
My turbo setup is lacking parts like a wastegate and intercooler, guages etc. little things like that so it only works sometimes and either boosts my car on occation or bogs it down. Nobody in my area will help me fix it and my engine needs re-sealing so I just took it off and it'll have to wait till later when I go back to the west coast. My car was dyno'ed and they didnt ever give me any results. But I dont think they were good and thats why. When it works I can beat a lot of cars off the line but when it doesnt, it feels like its gonna die. I cant change the timing on the car.
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-2001 Celica GTS dk blue mica 100hp per litre (GOT LIFT?) |
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May 19, 2004 - 5:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok.. You def need all those things your missing....
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May 19, 2004 - 5:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 16, '03 From Bay area Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
wait, wont your car over boost if you dont have a waste gate? |
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May 19, 2004 - 5:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '03 From Tampa FL Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
no it will just use the turbo at high speeds when i dont need it, wearing it down faster
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-2001 Celica GTS dk blue mica 100hp per litre (GOT LIFT?) |
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May 19, 2004 - 9:13 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
with no WG it will allow the exhaust to flow through the turbo and the port for the WG... also depends on turbine housing styles etc. but with no W/G it will kill your turbo id say within a week. theres many parts needed for a custom setup, i right now have taken about a 2min video of my setup before i took it off the other day. i would really like coomber to save it to the site, its no audio, just to the point of where the turbo sits, how i clocked it, following down my IC piping, where i cut to fit the pipe, and ran it to the TB. i also showed how my fuel regulator is hooked in, and how my map sensor check valves are in line. im gona miss the 7afte, it spooled up extremely fast and put a smile on my face everytime. hell it would spool up and be in boost in the blink of our eye on a launch, although it was also very streetable and only left me stranded once.
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May 19, 2004 - 11:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '03 From Tampa FL Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
yes yes i would love to see video. or maybe a detailed map of the engine and all the places youd have to hook into. when i started the project I didnt know very much about it. My turbo was tested and still pushes the norm 5-7psi after 6 months.
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-2001 Celica GTS dk blue mica 100hp per litre (GOT LIFT?) |
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May 19, 2004 - 11:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
hey zipstrips, now will you tell me the part numbers for your 4agze pistons???
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May 20, 2004 - 12:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
****, i have the recipt somewhere with them... i will get them up tomorrow,, its late now, i just got the email sent with my 3 video clips, ill have to give more info on what exactly to look at... also i sent random photos of my racing/ my brothers custom turbo, and my recent mishaps.. |
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May 20, 2004 - 1:28 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
is that from the turbo back, or from the cat back? if its only after cat, its going to be a restriction. with turbos, the more flow, the better, i would say if your cat back only, 2.5 inch would be a minimum, and having a good down pipe helps lower the temp at which the turbo runs at, keeping everything cooler.
well, since i planned on going FMIC with metal piping, i did a cheap temporary setup with a stock DSM intercooler and 2.5 inch black ABS piping. it worked once i had it tighted everywhere. did zipstrips sell you his piping too? or did he keep that? -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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May 20, 2004 - 6:20 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Zip, Id love to see that video also... hyp3rk1d17@yahoo.com
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May 20, 2004 - 6:25 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
i sold the front mount piping.. i only used 9 pipes if i remember correctly, i never got around to welding some, but i would do the one over the tranny 1st. im told the videos will posted tonight.
edit: its the greddy piping kit, 60mm or 2in. This post has been edited by zipstrips: May 20, 2004 - 6:25 AM |
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May 20, 2004 - 8:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
i haven't received any videos yet???
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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May 20, 2004 - 9:33 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '04 From Cary, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Check the new dodge neon SRT4 it is 260 hp.... and pretty good...check it out i would rather tht car and hok it up or a mistubishi Evo with 275 Horse power!!!
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May 20, 2004 - 10:31 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
i sent you a pm asking for your real email so i can attch the files.. im at work till 5 than im finishing my celica, i should be able to package up your parts tonight. they should get posted tonight, i have emailed them out along with some pictures.... |
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May 20, 2004 - 10:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
zip you have mail
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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May 20, 2004 - 10:57 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
i see it,, again im at work,, ill get info out tonight.. |
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May 20, 2004 - 10:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
they are both mitsubishi engine i believe. well atleast the design of the srt4 engine is based on some mitsu engines. i just dont like the neons, you cant even get power rear windows on the top of the line model! -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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May 20, 2004 - 10:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
sounds good im at work also so i'll just look for it later tonight thanks
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May 20, 2004 - 11:02 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
same here aren't those car priced any where from $20,000 up nice cars but i like my celica -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
a brand new SRT4 has an msrp of 19k but once your out the door its closer to 23k its a lot of bang for the buck, but im not into the new 4DSC trend(4 door sports car) especially when the damn car doesnt have power windows -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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May 20, 2004 - 9:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From FRANKFORT,KENTUCKY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
here's the pics zipstrips was talking about.
     
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May 20, 2004 - 9:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From FRANKFORT,KENTUCKY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
and some more....
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May 20, 2004 - 9:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From FRANKFORT,KENTUCKY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
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May 21, 2004 - 12:27 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 3, '02 From Va Team 6gc Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
those were great man, your setup was very impressive.
-------------------- All I have in this world is my Balls and my Word and I'm not breaking em for no one,- Tony Montana Team 6gc 2005 |
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May 21, 2004 - 2:24 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
and then it blew up!
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May 21, 2004 - 3:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
haha, that it did, but i was being pretty mean to her on the way back that night. |
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May 21, 2004 - 8:02 PM
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I just happen to have some GZE pistons sitting in my living room....
For whoever wanted to know, the part # is: 13101-16100-02 (piston sub-assy) I was quite impressed with the GZE pistons. They come from toyota with ceramic coated domes. That saved me some dough! Edit: Look at me, I own3d the 4th page! This post has been edited by SpedToe169: May 21, 2004 - 8:03 PM |
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May 21, 2004 - 10:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I wonder if that is for a set or each... I need a spare 7a that I can work with.
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May 21, 2004 - 10:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Dallas, Tx Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The part #? Thats each.
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May 22, 2004 - 5:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
i wonder how thoes got there!?!?! haha yea guys thats each im pretty sure, when u order them from the dealer, tell them u need for pistons. pretty simple,, note the Part# will change when u need a diff size like .020 over sore something.... edit: hey speed, what do you think of the video? depending on how ur going to do your piping, right after the turbo on my setup, i cut a hole through the black wall, make sure to use some rubber to insulate the pipr or u will rub a hole into the pipe... creating a boost leak...
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May 22, 2004 - 11:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I thought toyota only made .5 over pistons? they can do others also?
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May 25, 2004 - 8:38 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '03 From Crestview, Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
edit.
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May 27, 2004 - 7:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
hey zip this whta i have so far
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/521899/2 -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Jun 15, 2004 - 11:53 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
bump
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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