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post Aug 29, 2004 - 2:52 PM
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I finally got to the track to run the car.
I babied it off the line(i got the 5s tranny) and i am only running 13 psi with 18" tires but overall i had good times.
1/4 mile times were at 14.4 and 14.5 the whole time
top speeds were 97 and 98 mph
i think if i run it again i am gonna put the stock 15" rims on and turn the boost to about 16-17 and see what happens!

I think 13's are easily within reach!
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post Aug 29, 2004 - 2:53 PM
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Very nice, I went to the track with friends but didnt bring the car, im afraid of blowing the tranny.

16 & 17 is pretty high becareful.
Do you have an upgraded clutch?
What kind of upgraded turbo are u running.


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 2:57 PM
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this run was with the stage 1 exedy clutch and stock turbo
the tranny has been great for me so far .... crossing fingers for the long run!


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 3:05 PM
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stock ct26 turbo.. you're not gonna see much gains after you boost it past 10 psi or so
post Aug 29, 2004 - 3:08 PM
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why do you say that? do you have a 3s?
i feel a huge diff from 10 psi to 15 psi so i dont know why you would think that....


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 3:35 PM
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i would raise boost to 15 psi, maybe add race gas and raise it to a tiny bit more than that... but ive never heard anyone boost more than 15 psi on stock ct 26. i raise my boost from 10 to 14 psi and i loose traction like crazy... so practice before you hit the track.

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post Aug 29, 2004 - 5:02 PM
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good job dave!


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 6:46 PM
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Be sure to throw in some C-16 in that bitch.

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post Aug 29, 2004 - 7:43 PM
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wow, I figured that the celi would run faster then 14.5-14's ... but I guess the whole front wheel kills it.. that almost makes me not wanna do the swap, dosnt seem like its worth it..
post Aug 29, 2004 - 7:43 PM
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wow...14.4- 14.5 is good...
at what rpm did you launch?


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 8:19 PM
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I have a buddy with an mr2 who pushes 18psi on a stock ct26 and runs a 13.6. That turbo's gonna be shot soon


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 8:57 PM
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QUOTE (Digndoug @ Aug 30, 2004 - 12:43 AM)
wow, I figured that the celi would run faster then 14.5-14's ... but I guess the whole front wheel kills it.. that almost makes me not wanna do the swap, dosnt seem like its worth it..

i totally agree with you, my hopes of suping up a cely are pretty much shot now. if im gonna sink big time money into a car its gonna run 11's. but just curious, what are you guys gettin for 0-60.

well at least the celica is still better looking than any other fwd car iv ever seen
post Aug 29, 2004 - 9:19 PM
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You guys, be realistic. He's running the stock setup with a front mount. He hasn't even upgraded the turbo yet. How many cars do you know run 11's. You have no idea what a low 14 sec car feels like. Low fourteens are a good time for a low modified swap. He's running stock tires and it's his first time at the track. With slicks he'll run mid to high 13's which is pretty damn quick. Nice Times Dave. You'll creep down there.
post Aug 29, 2004 - 9:25 PM
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QUOTE (celica3sgte @ Aug 30, 2004 - 2:19 AM)
You guys, be realistic. He's running the stock setup with a front mount. He hasn't even upgraded the turbo yet. How many cars do you know run 11's. You have no idea what a low 14 sec car feels like. Low fourteens are a good time for a low modified swap. He's running stock tires and it's his first time at the track. With slicks he'll run mid to high 13's which is pretty damn quick. Nice Times Dave. You'll creep down there.

Im not saying its bad, thats a quick car, i was just stating my opinion. if i was going to sink more than 300 into the engine, it would be for a car that has a lot of potential. face it, celicas are fwd, fwd sucks balls. suping up an all-trac or gt-4, now thats awsome. (or an old school RWD celica.....) i think im going to hold off on my engine (besides exhaust) until i get some money for the new x-runner. thats quick but proberly still not 11's even with a couple thousand in the engine....


ill have to save up for a vette with a lingenfelter kit... sigh... wink.gif
post Aug 29, 2004 - 9:39 PM
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What you guys watch fast and furious? You do realize most all ur cars run 16+s?

First, he has a tranny with weak, short gearing, so like he said he babied it he didnt launch hard. Now if u've run ur car youll quickly find out how important your launch is.

Secondly what does "your not going to see much gains after 10lbs on the CT26? Where the hell did you get this information from? Does all of a sudden the CFMs decrease after 10lbs? Does ne body actually know what CFMs actually mean or how they effect the turbo or are you looking at just pressure, which means less.

Dave, I think you should boost up to 15lbs, with 15's and see what happens and if the track isnt to far away maybe launch at 2.5-3K.

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post Aug 29, 2004 - 9:40 PM
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QUOTE (DamDirtyApes @ Aug 29, 2004 - 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (celica3sgte @ Aug 30, 2004 - 2:19 AM)
You guys, be realistic.  He's running the stock setup with a front mount.  He hasn't even upgraded the turbo yet.  How many cars do you know run 11's.  You have no idea what a low 14 sec car feels like.  Low fourteens are a good time for a low modified swap.  He's running stock tires and it's his first time at the track.  With slicks he'll run mid to high 13's which is pretty damn quick.  Nice Times Dave.  You'll creep down there.

Im not saying its bad, thats a quick car, i was just stating my opinion. if i was going to sink more than 300 into the engine, it would be for a car that has a lot of potential. face it, celicas are fwd, fwd sucks balls. suping up an all-trac or gt-4, now thats awsome. (or an old school RWD celica.....) i think im going to hold off on my engine (besides exhaust) until i get some money for the new x-runner. thats quick but proberly still not 11's even with a couple thousand in the engine....


ill have to save up for a vette with a lingenfelter kit... sigh... wink.gif

300? Thats it, thats a Downpipe, thats all. If 300 is your limit you got a sorry surprise ahead of u.


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post Aug 29, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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i dont expect my car to be fast. i just did the k&n becuase i got a good deal and needed a new filter, im gettin exhuast work done for a better looking muffler, a bit more pep in the high rpms, and a better sound. i wont be sinking more money into my engine besides that. correct me if im wrong, and i might be, but after a certain amount of power with fwd wouldent the tires just spin. so bascailly if u had a 600 hp fwd celica vs a 320 hp wrx wouldnet the wrx whoop up on the celica, becuase he wouldnet even spin his tires? (or alot)
post Aug 29, 2004 - 9:57 PM
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Dont boost to 15 untill you have a tranny than take the abuse. But the swap would still be well worth considering we all spent on average what.....8500 on our cars (spending 3k more is like 12000)thats a good number for stock 14'. I can understand both sides...a swap at minimal mods runs 14's while SuperSprynt said we run 16's if that both on stock motors(close too). spending 3G's on a swap gaining 2+ seconds is what you would expect slightly from a turbo/supercharger slap on(spending about the same) but in DG's case the motor can handle it (minus the tranny). At the same time I can also sympathize with having a stock 5SFE/7AFE and having to order a clip wait and wait then spend more time getting it in and wirring the bitch then needing a new tranny(maybee new mounts) only to run in 14's. But do you guys actually know what driving in a 14second car fells like, I drove my friends SRT-4 for like an hour a week back and it had intake, and B.O.V. and she ran mid 14's and that was a very very fun ride, being able to flick off Mustang GT's on the highway. Anyway 14's is a very nice number, but i see for the trouble it may not be worht it for some people.


Remeber stock EVO's and STI's run 13.6's!!

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post Aug 29, 2004 - 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Aug 30, 2004 - 2:39 AM)
Secondly what does "your not going to see much gains after 10lbs on the CT26? Where the hell did you get this information from? Does all of a sudden the CFMs decrease after 10lbs? Does ne body actually know what CFMs actually mean or how they effect the turbo or are you looking at just pressure, which means less.

Super, don't gimmie that ****. After 10 psi, the CT26 turbo (non supra model) is out of it's prime efficiency range; you can see this by looking at a compressor graph for one (although; I have NOT seen a compressor graph for the CT26) it's a well known, well documented issue that I kept running into on MR2 boards.

Quite simply, he's not going to see much gain past 10 psi; because the turbo can't handle the additional air pressure on the compressor wheel. It's much like how in the 3000GTs, after 6000 rpms the stock boost controller drops the boost level.

The issue is SO important, and SO documented; that I made it my first topic in this post:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14345

If you dyno tested the 3sgte at 8 psi, 9 psi, 10 psi, 11 psi; you'd see the gains you make by upping the boost level steadily drop; it's out of it's efficiency level.

Picking a turbo thats right for your efficiency level is pretty standard knowledge; for 15 psi the CT26 turbo is simply FAR removed from that.
post Aug 29, 2004 - 10:18 PM
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a swaped celica is not the fastest thing in the world. but it is a quick, fun to drive car, and a million times better then a modified GT or ST.

also, having the 3sgte, opens you up to a whole new world of upgrades. with my 5sfe i felt like i went as far as i could go with an intake and an exhaust upgrade, but now that i have a 3s, i feel the sky is the limit.

11 and 10 second cars are very very hard to goals to reach. 90% of alltrac and mr2 owners never reach that level.

and remember, a swaped 6th gen is faster the a stock alltrac.


shid, i wish i could take you for a ride in my car at 10psi and then crank it up to 15psi.... i think that would change your mind.

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