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post Oct 13, 2004 - 10:39 PM
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I found a 2.0 3s-gte turbo intercooler engine. I have a 1995 celica GT (CA). This is what is coming with motor:

Engine
Transmission 5 speed AWD
ECU
Turbo
Intercooler
Disterbutor
Alternatur
Starter
A/C Compresser
Power Steering Pump
All Sensors
All Mounts
Intake Manifold
Exhaust Manifold
etc...

What is going to be needed to make this work and what legal matters are needed to make this work in California? Please I need some advice... confused.gif

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post Oct 13, 2004 - 10:46 PM
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm

check that out, its californias state laws reguarding modifying street legal vehicles.

best bet is to get a clip, you will be glad you did.

taken from the above link:
"Replacement Engines
Entire engines can be replacement parts. As with any other replacement part, the engine must be identical to the original. If the replacement block or engine is obtained without emissions equipment, all the equipment from the original engine must be installed on the replacement block.
If the engine is not identical to the original then it is not a replacement part, instead it is considered an engine change.
Engine changes are a modification that must meet certain requirements to be legal (please see "Engine Changes")."

"Japanese Replacement Engines
Used engines imported from Japan can be used as replacement engines as long as the engine being used has been identified as functionally identical to the original engine. Please refer to the engine importers catalogue to determine if a replacement engine is legal for installation in your vehicle.

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.
Exemptions for Uncontrolled Vehicles
Vehicles that were manufactured before emission control regulations took effect are called uncontrolled vehicles. Aftermarket parts regulations and anti-tampering laws do not apply to these vehicles.
Uncontrolled vehicles may have any aftermarket add-on or modified part installed as long as the vehicle can still meet the tailpipe emission standards for the year of the vehicle. Uncontrolled vehicles must retain any original or retrofit crankcase control (PCV) devices and NOx device required for the year of the vehicle.
The following vehicles are considered uncontrolled vehicles:

* 1965 and Older : U.S. Manufactured California Certified Vehicles

* 1967 and Older: U.S. Manufactured Federally Certified Vehicles

* 1967 and Older: Foreign Manufactured Vehicles"


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post Oct 13, 2004 - 10:53 PM
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DONT BUY A MOTOR, BUY A WHOLE CLIP.

problem is that most of these people lie about what come with the motor. they tell u one thing, but you get missing parts when the thing shows up at your door. plus with a clip, youi have lots of parts you can sell later and make some money back.

with that said... heres what you need but they didnt list.

AFM
Intake piping
resistor packs
ignitor
coil
Turbo pressure sensor.


the other cool thing with getting a clip, is that you get to lable and remove every part yourself. that way, youll know what you are doing when u are installing the engine in your car. instead of just getting a big box of harness wires and trying to figure out where they go.


EDIT: if you want to swap, then youll need to forget about having a legal car.

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post Oct 13, 2004 - 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 13, 2004 - 10:53 PM)
DONT BUY A MOTOR, BUY A WHOLE CLIP.

problem is that most of these people lie about what come with the motor. they tell u one thing, but you get missing parts when the thing shows up at your door. plus with a clip, youi have lots of parts you can sell later and make some money back.

with that said... heres what you need but they didnt list.

AFM
Intake piping
resistor packs
ignitor
coil
Turbo pressure sensor.


the other cool thing with getting a clip, is that you get to lable and remove every part yourself. that way, youll know what you are doing when u are installing the engine in your car. instead of just getting a big box of harness wires and trying to figure out where they go.


EDIT: if you want to swap, then youll need to forget about having a legal car.

not necessarily true, you just need to get an EGR system


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post Oct 13, 2004 - 11:11 PM
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QUOTE (boosted_K2 @ Oct 13, 2004 - 9:03 PM)
QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 13, 2004 - 10:53 PM)
DONT BUY A MOTOR, BUY A WHOLE CLIP.

problem is that most of these people lie about what come with the motor. they tell u one thing, but you get missing parts when the thing shows up at your door. plus with a clip, youi have lots of parts you can sell later and make some money back.

with that said... heres what you need but they didnt list.

AFM
Intake piping
resistor packs
ignitor
coil
Turbo pressure sensor.


the other cool thing with getting a clip, is that you get to lable and remove every part yourself. that way, youll know what you are doing when u are installing the engine in your car. instead of just getting a big box of harness wires and trying to figure out where they go.


EDIT: if you want to swap, then youll need to forget about having a legal car.

not necessarily true, you just need to get an EGR system

an egr is not an easy thing to just add on to a jdm engine that didnt come with it.


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post Oct 14, 2004 - 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 14, 2004 - 4:11 AM)
QUOTE (boosted_K2 @ Oct 13, 2004 - 9:03 PM)
QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 13, 2004 - 10:53 PM)
DONT BUY A MOTOR, BUY A WHOLE CLIP.

problem is that most of these people lie about what come with the motor. they tell u one thing, but you get missing parts when the thing shows up at your door. plus with a clip, youi have lots of parts you can sell later and make some money back.

with that said... heres what you need but they didnt list.

AFM
Intake piping
resistor packs
ignitor
coil
Turbo pressure sensor.


the other cool thing with getting a clip, is that you get to lable and remove every part yourself. that way, youll know what you are doing when u are installing the engine in your car. instead of just getting a big box of harness wires and trying to figure out where they go.


EDIT: if you want to swap, then youll need to forget about having a legal car.

not necessarily true, you just need to get an EGR system

an egr is not an easy thing to just add on to a jdm engine that didnt come with it.

in fact, as far as I've understood it- nearly impossible? Did MR2 turbos come with EGR?
post Oct 14, 2004 - 1:47 AM
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if course they did, so did the alltracs. the problem is none of the gen3 motors did.

and i never said it was an easy thing to do lol, i just said you need an EGR system because its one of the things they look for when doing the visual inspection. ive heard of some MR2s passing the visual inspection by having a "dummy" EGR setup on their car, where the system is actually there, but the is a blockoff plate inbetween the system and the engine. tricky tricky tongue.gif


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post Oct 14, 2004 - 1:53 AM
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QUOTE (boosted_K2 @ Oct 14, 2004 - 6:47 AM)
if course they did, so did the alltracs. the problem is none of the gen3 motors did.

and i never said it was an easy thing to do lol, i just said you need an EGR system because its one of the things they look for when doing the visual inspection. ive heard of some MR2s passing the visual inspection by having a "dummy" EGR setup on their car, where the system is actually there, but the is a blockoff plate inbetween the system and the engine. tricky tricky tongue.gif

Do you think u could take a gen 2 EGR system and hook it up to a gen 3 motor? hmm

of course, a 95+ can never be legal with a swap
post Oct 14, 2004 - 2:34 AM
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blah, 100 bucks will fix your emission problems at a shop wink.gif


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post Oct 14, 2004 - 1:32 PM
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A USDM block has a milled out, dish-like section to mount the EGR pipe onto the head, and a hole tapped into the side of the intake manifold for the reciculation. If you have a JDM engine it is impossible to install an egr without making these modifications... which is very hard. That being said... in order to make it LOOK like it has an egr all one would have to do is mount an EGR valve and find a way to make the EGR pipe coming out of the head to the intake manifold is actually connected... it would take some creativity but it would definately work... rr... not work... but it would look like it works! biggrin.gif

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