Ur Next New game Console Options

[JDM321]

Just want discuss which console is much better. To me got to be the PS3.

[DaMnItLeWiS]

this is too hard of a question to ask right now...all we know is what looks good on paper.

Sure the Tech Demos look awesome, but we'll see when actual gamplay is more available.

[lagos]

i picked xbox. ive had more fun with my xbox1 then i did with my ps2.

but i think we need to wait and see some more info on ps2. there really arent any demos of games for us to see.

[turboinduction]

xbox360 - never liked either PS system. Anything that was good, was also on the box. Plus, I hate the PS controller.

-Ti

[pr_caralho]

How bout revolution?

[Mike]

ps3
i'm hoping it'll be better seeing as it comes out later

and all the ps games are always better than xbox ons imo

well, for the most part..

[Supersprynt]

Xbox360

[boosted_K2]

xbox360, however i most likely will get both

[C3L1CA]

PS3

[juBz86]

i still need to get an xbox!

[dstrbcelica]

How bout revolution?
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yes. i want that.

-dstrb

[shin]

definitely PS3. more jap games

[BLINKYxMUNKEY]

xbox360.. never have really played my ps2.

[creis]

I dont know much about the ps3 or whatever, but the xbox 360 is a pretty crazy system.

I'll stick to my computer though, I never really cared for the consoles there just to limited.

[Akuza]

man i really thought the new design was going to be the concept drawing that looks like the camera but it looks so similar to the ps2
kinda dissapointed

[Ale_lock]

PS3! PS3 = 150x better than PS2 Xbox 360 = 10x better than Xbox.

[turboinduction]

PS3! PS3 = 150x better than PS2 Xbox 360 = 10x better than Xbox.
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yet the PS3 and Xbox360 are equal in power.... hrm

kindof shows how much the PS2 blew.

Again.... Xbox360 for me.

-Ti

[fastgt]

xbox 360 and the revolution( old school nintendo fan)

[IcemanTK]

Boo nay XBOX360 all the way, on paper the PS3 Dominates the 360, but they are claiming to be selling the ps3 in the $300-$400 range, witch has to be a crock-of-****, there is no0w way they can put all that into a console for $400 the parts alone would cost $600+ nevermind laboring for assembly and just marketing and all other BS. so something sounds fishey about the PS3's final product
thats some $0.02 for you all

[turboinduction]

Jeez even an Xbox fan is misinformed on the specs like most people:

Again, the Xbox360 and PS3 are NEARLY identical on paper. The killzone preview was NOT NOT NOT NOT REAL TIME. Get over it.

PS3:

Official PS3 Specs

Here are the official technical specifications for the PS3, taken directly from Sony:

CPU
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU
RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound
Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth
Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance
2 TFLOPS

Storage
Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O
USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller
Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

Xbox360

Xbox 360 System Performance Specifications

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor 10 MB of embedded DRAM
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance 1 teraflop

Storage Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O Support for up to four wireless game controllers
Three USB 2.0 ports
Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
Built-in Ethernet port
Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
Video camera ready

Digital Media Support Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
Custom playlists in every game
Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio  Multi-channel surround sound output
Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
320 independent decompression channels
32-bit audio processing
Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates Interchangeable to personalize the console

Yep - PS3 is a 3.2GHZx7cores whereas the Xbox360 is a 3.2GHZx6cores. For one... can any of you tell me what a 3.2GHZ is... and two, do you know what a core is? If I sat a 2.2GHZ next to a 3.2GHZ... 90% of people couldn't tell the difference. So a 1 core difference doesn't SPANK xbox on paper. Now back to real life. Micro is using a IBM-PPC based chipset thats been out forever. Game designers know it VERY well and probably wont have to hard of time with MS and XNA. Whereas Sony is using a new thing all together. Do you know how long it took designers to figure out the PS2? Just think of the PS3. Hell it'll be 2 years before we get a game thats using the PS3 power. On other stats - Xbox wins in memory, Sony wins in teraflop count (BFD), and to me they tie in Audio. Blablabla. The rest is bascially unknown to the world. All in all, they basically tie. However, Xbox has Live and now FREE Live that I dont see to much being said at Sony. Xbox owns Rare which is one of my favorite game designers (Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day). Xbox has Halo, which is by far my favorite game ever. With Halo3 coming out the same time as PS3, who can complain! Also, DDR (dance dance revolution) is now a Xbox standard game, no need for a PS anymore. I sold my Two with my only regret being the Rockstar games. Wait til the 360 comes out at Xmas. Let all the kiddies buy them up. Then purchase yours come January for cheaper.

Oh yea. Ps3 price confirmed at 50,000yen. Thats about 450US buckos pals.

-Ti

This post has been edited by turboinduction: May 24, 2005 - 7:00 AM

[red94celicagt]

xbox360 y'all

[BBoYRuGGeD]

i'd get both of 'em ... but i hear ps3 supports blu-ray... any word if xbox 360 does?

bboy

[darksecret]

I believe the Cell processor in the PS3 is also the same processor used in the Lucas Arts CGI systems. They are similar on paper yes, but consider E3 when the PS3 was playing Unreal 3.0, Gran Turismo 4 with the Spiderman movie running in real time, and there are already 360 games switching to PS3 releases. IMO I think that it will be mostly up to exclusives though and if Sony can pull their head out of their arse and have a decent online play ability. As far as looks go PS3 minus a couple of points for the controller. I don't know much about the Revolution but I think that it'll be a sleeper just like the GC since there is so much hype between the 360 and the 3.

[darksecret]

i'd get both of 'em ... but i hear ps3 supports blu-ray... any word if xbox 360 does?

bboy
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Nope, PS3 exlusive.

[chucho]

it looks so similar to the ps2
kinda dissapointed
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It really looks like the Bose lifestyle system. Check out the DVD player and tell me it doesnt.

Sorry I'm going w/ the PS3, I have a PSP and that makes me have a controller already

[ILuvMyCelica95]

I vote PS3 if anything. I don't really have a lot of games for my PS2- my sis' b/f is the manager at game stop so i'll see what he can do for me, he gives me his store discount. Pretty sure i wouldnt get xbox because i suck at halo, i die every time And i <3 Grand Turismo and Tekken to much. mwahhaha

[darksecret]

it looks so similar to the ps2
kinda dissapointed
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It really looks like the Bose lifestyle system. Check out the DVD player and tell me it doesnt.

Sorry I'm going w/ the PS3, I have a PSP and that makes me have a controller already
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I thought the exact same thing Bose Lifestyle, that curved top is to distinctive.

[pr_caralho]

Jeez even an Xbox fan is misinformed on the specs like most people:

Again, the Xbox360 and PS3 are NEARLY identical on paper.  The killzone preview was NOT NOT NOT NOT REAL TIME.  Get over it.

PS3:

Official PS3 Specs

Here are the official technical specifications for the PS3, taken directly from Sony:

CPU
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU
RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound
Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth
Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance
2 TFLOPS

Storage
Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O
USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller
Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

Xbox360

Xbox 360 System Performance Specifications

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor 10 MB of embedded DRAM
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance 1 teraflop

Storage Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O Support for up to four wireless game controllers
Three USB 2.0 ports
Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
Built-in Ethernet port
Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
Video camera ready

Digital Media Support Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
Custom playlists in every game
Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio  Multi-channel surround sound output
Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
320 independent decompression channels
32-bit audio processing
Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates Interchangeable to personalize the console

Yep - PS3 is a 3.2GHZx7cores whereas the Xbox360 is a 3.2GHZx6cores. For one... can any of you tell me what a 3.2GHZ is... and two, do you know what a core is? If I sat a 2.2GHZ next to a 3.2GHZ... 90% of people couldn't tell the difference. So a 1 core difference doesn't SPANK xbox on paper. Now back to real life. Micro is using a IBM-PPC based chipset thats been out forever. Game designers know it VERY well and probably wont have to hard of time with MS and XNA. Whereas Sony is using a new thing all together. Do you know how long it took designers to figure out the PS2? Just think of the PS3. Hell it'll be 2 years before we get a game thats using the PS3 power. On other stats - Xbox wins in memory, Sony wins in teraflop count (BFD), and to me they tie in Audio. Blablabla. The rest is bascially unknown to the world. All in all, they basically tie. However, Xbox has Live and now FREE Live that I dont see to much being said at Sony. Xbox owns Rare which is one of my favorite game designers (Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day). Xbox has Halo, which is by far my favorite game ever. With Halo3 coming out the same time as PS3, who can complain! Also, DDR (dance dance revolution) is now a Xbox standard game, no need for a PS anymore. I sold my Two with my only regret being the Rockstar games. Wait til the 360 comes out at Xmas. Let all the kiddies buy them up. Then purchase yours come January for cheaper.

Oh yea. Ps3 price confirmed at 50,000yen. Thats about 450US buckos pals.

-Ti
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the ps3 has a cell processor and will use that new state of the art disk, the presentation at e3 was more impressive than microsofts, there games (killzone 2, i-8, motorstorm, etc) convinces me to buy a ps3, and if square decides to remake ff7 , well pals i think my money once again will go to a ps3, right now microsoft seems desperate wich means lots of rushing.........

This post has been edited by pr_caralho: May 24, 2005 - 6:44 PM

[ScoobyDooCruiser]

Nintendo 8 bit! thats the system for me!!!!! ya!!!!!!

At least the games are cheap, like "ebay: lot of 46 nintendo games $5" type of thing.

Ya. I heard the xbox was supposed to be pretty cool, and microsoft has to have it do well, cause the last xbox tanked financially, and the investors are putting pressure to drop the gaming deparment if this one doesn't work. I'm not a huge microsoft fan, so I think it would be kinda funny if it didn't do well, but thats not very charitible. So...

[darksecret]

So far the only desireable thing with the Revolution is that it is suppose to play all Nintendo console games, but why get a Revolution when a half decent emulator can do the same, or you could buy all the previous systems for less than that one. On the cost issue, Microsoft announced that the 360 is going to cost more than expected due to the hard drive, why I don't know but Sony and MS will probably start the prices at around $500 like they did before, even the Playstation one was $500 on the release date. If any of them should cost more it should be the PS3 since they are dealing with technology they actually developed themselves, 360 is based on current technology and also technology that has been out for close to a year now.

[pr_caralho]

So far the only desireable thing with the Revolution is that it is suppose to play all Nintendo console games, but why get a Revolution when a half decent emulator can do the same, or you could buy all the previous systems for less than that one. On the cost issue, Microsoft announced that the 360 is going to cost more than expected due to the hard drive, why I don't know but Sony and MS will probably start the prices at around $500 like they did before, even the Playstation one was $500 on the release date. If any of them should cost more it should be the PS3 since they are dealing with technology they actually developed themselves, 360 is based on current technology and also technology that has been out for close to a year now.
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exactly

[mikew04]

you wont see ff for ps3, square is making games for microsoft now.
clicky

[pr_caralho]

you wont see ff for ps3, square is making games for microsoft now.
clicky
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I know that, but they made a tech demo of ff7, to tell you the truth the ff series has gone downhill for me after ff9 they just seemed like the games were rushed....

This post has been edited by pr_caralho: May 26, 2005 - 5:00 PM

[bloodrain]

I definatly vote PS3, watch the e3 clip of killzone, omg i almost **** my pants its so awsome. And since ps3 has bluetooth, gg and with the hd capabilty, i can take out one of my 4 250 gig hd's from my comp now. And xbox360 has ati vid card, which in my honest opionion is horrible. I used 3 ati's and about 7 nvidia's, and my conclusion is NVidia>>>>>> ATI. GeForce 4 LYFE.

[turboinduction]

People dont read - Killzone wasn't in real-time

-Ti

[pr_caralho]

People dont read - Killzone wasn't in real-time

-Ti
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We know it wasnt real-time, but thats probably a taste of what we might get wen it comes out, to tell you the truth I wouldnt be surprised if the game looked like that in real time.....

[md6gst]

I ahve to go with ps3 so i can play all my old ps one and two games and keep up with the Final Fantasy series. But if the Revolution will be able to go online and get old NES and SNES games I will buy that in a heartbeat.