Stupid Ticket, can they do this? Options

[Theyellowdart084]

Yo guys....I just got my greddy sp2 FINALLY put on, when only a few days later have a cop pull me over and write me a ticket for it. He said that apprently your not allowed to modify your exhaust AT ALL!??! wtf i totally thought this was street legal....and i was crusin too so it wasn't that loud..... should i bother fighting this one in court?

thanks for your help...by the was this was in buffalo, new york....

laterz

[Benevolence]

that sounds illogical, would if your exhaust is rusted or a rock hits it and make a hole through it, then you would have to replace it.... riiiight?

[Kwanza26]

One of my buddies got a fix-it ticket the other day for his "muffler" too on his MR2T. Funny thing is, his car isn't loud at all... now he has to go to the BAR referee and have his car smogged and reffed. Sucks. Spent the day yesterday converting his car back to stock.

As for the law, I don't know how it is elsewhere, but from my understanding, you can do whatever the hell you want to the exhaust (minus manifold and air tubes) so long as the cat is there, and the exhaust system isn't too loud. You should fight this in court, and get documentation from Greddy saying their exhaust is street legal.

[Theyellowdart084]

yea...plus its a greddy....i mean those are totally street legal, i can see maybe if i bought a knock-off....but it passed all the smog tests and exhaust tests here in ny....im super confused

[Theyellowdart084]

yea definatly....thanks

[94CelicaRedHatch]

i got pulled over with my friend for this not that long ago.

According to the cop, any type of modification to the exhaust is illegal in any way shape or form. Buddy just got a warning but cop said next time hes getting a ticket and has to take it off. Least thats the law here in Wisconsin

[Insanity-74]

OMG you guys have some strict laws in the States, how the hell do you cope with it????? The UK dosnt look so bad sometimes when I read of things like this, we can do just about whatever we like to our cars hear.
I`d fight that one in court if you have a document saying that the exhaust is street legal in your state.

[shin]

get a documentation from Greddy and you should be fine. Greddy exhaust are street legal. last december i had a 2 tickets, one's for loud exhaust but then i had a cheap ebay muffler on a straight pipe without silencer and the other ticket was for modified exhaust. i replaced the muffler with a tanabe racing medallion and had a reciept showing i've replaced the exhaust and they dropped the charges.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

oooh a law question- i'm all over this- looking it up

[darksecret]

Cops are trained on some law but if they don't know they go off of their own "better" judgment, if the ticket is wrong big whoop they were wrong and you lost a day in court. Even if it is common knowledge that something is legal you must consider that a cop in a sense is is the judge and jury and the law is determined by them so to the cop the exhaust was illegal but the court makes the final decision, as most around here know I don't like cops and I have a lot of reasons why, but remember that the most they can do with writing a bogus ticket is waste your time.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

ok guys here's what i found in the New York Vehicle Law... idk if this helps?

[playr158]

your complaining about 1 exhaust ticket?!?!

i have a WALL of tickets in my room
at least 6 are for improper/illegal exhaust
and i've had 3 different exhaust in the last year

[BlackSTX]

OMG you guys have some strict laws in the States, how the hell do you cope with it?????
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I live in Kentucky and we can pretty much do whatever we want. Cops pretty much look the other way a lot here but then again even a lot of state cops get busted all the time for drug trafficking and stuff.

[Akimbo]

your complaining about 1 exhaust ticket?!?!

i have a WALL of tickets in my room
at least 6 are for improper/illegal exhaust
and i've had 3 different exhaust in the last year
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its not a contest

[TRD6GC]

I also live in New York, and im going to be a cop. And as far as my knowledge goes the cop is correct. Any modification done to your exhaust is illegal. If it breaks or something and you have to fix it, your suppose to use stock parts to do so. Doesn't hurt to fight it. Bring in your receipt for having it done, and tell them it does not say it is illegal. And hopefully you have passed inspection since then and then you could just say that your car has also passed inspection since you have had this modified (bring your inspection receipt too). And just plead your case that you did not even know it was illegal. Either way, it is not a moving violation so not like you will get points on your license or nething. GOOD LUCK

[celicaboston1983]

I always thought you can use any exhaust you want given it passes inspection and it isnt that loud.

[darksecret]

Feel special in my county when you do get a ticket you go wait in line to plead guilty or not guilty and if you plead not guilty they continue it, the judge doesn't even show up until eleven since there are more bogus tickets in the metro region than anywhere i've lived. We just built a new three story building just for traffic violations and the court counted about 200 people pleading innocent when I went last. Tickets around here are based out like BV for anything you can't live in Charlotte without getting at least one.

[94CelicaRedHatch]

I guess it also depends on the cop. Last summer when I got pulled over for speeding I thought for sure the cop was gonna point out my exhaust, but he didnt. Just depends on if a cops wants to be a jerk or not

[TRD6GC]

ok guys here's what i found in the New York Vehicle Law... idk if this helps?

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This is not coming for me, same for everyone else?

[Theyellowdart084]

cool thanks for your help guys....yea it did pass inspection and i have a reciept from greddy, so it should be no problem

[ILuvMyCelica95]

my computer at work is a POS... here i typed it out :

Vehicle and Traffic Law- NY state
§ 375

31. Mufflers and exhaust systems. Prevention of noise. Every motor vehicle, operated or driven upon the highways of the state, shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with cut-out, bypass, or similar device. No person shall modify muffler or exhaust system, in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of a motor vehicle above that emitted by the motor or exhaust system originally installed on the vehicle and such original muffler and exhaust system shall comply with all the requirements of this section:

A muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates, or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine, and effective in reducing noise.

An exhaust system is a series of mechanical devices for the purpose of receiving exhaust from an internal combustion engine and expelling it into the atmosphere.

31-a. No person shall, in the state, sell install or use a motorcycle exhaust device without internal baffles, known as “straight pipes”.

31-b. No person shall, in the state, sell install or use a motorcycle exhaust device that is intentionally designed to allow for the internal baffling to be fully or partially removed or interchangeable. This subdivision shall not apply to a motorcycle manufactured or assembled prior to nineteen hundred seventy-nine or a motorcycle registered as a limited use vehicle or an all terrain vehicle pursuant to article forty-eight-A or forty-eight-B of this chapter.

[Drocay]

so from wut i gather in NY u can install after market exhaust it just can't be louder then what your car sounded like stock.

that sucks.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

yep, it does suck.

anyone else got any questions or tickets you'd like me too look up?

[BlackSTX]

I would record the decibel level somehow and compare it to other exhausts or tape record the sound. I know that's kinda gay, but the law just says that it has to be "adequate" and prevent any "excessive" noise. That's very subjective. You could also take a picture of it, too. The Greddy exhaust pretty much looks stock in my opinion. Also bring a copy of that law. That cop was on a power trip and just being a dick. He just targeted you because of your car.

[TRD6GC]

Vehicle and Traffic Law- NY state
§ 375

31. Mufflers and exhaust systems. Prevention of noise. Every motor vehicle, operated or driven upon the highways of the state, shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with cut-out, bypass, or similar device. No person shall modify muffler or exhaust system, in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of a motor vehicle above that emitted by the motor or exhaust system originally installed on the vehicle and such original muffler and exhaust system shall comply with all the requirements of this section:

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The bold part is the one that kind of prevents you from "legally" changing your exhaust. What ever came on the car is how it must stay. I mean if you just changed the piping size up to like 3 inches and kept the stock muffler, no one would ever give you a problem. But if you get really really technical, it would be illegal because it would cause more air flow , which the original muffler was not built to handle/ filter (or however you wanna say it) and also cause more noise. Personally, i have been hassled for mine a couple times tho never ticketed, but my friend has worldcom muffler (i THINK thats the name of it), but it allows for same performance and everything as like a "greddy" muffler, but sounds stock, just a lil louder and i think i may put it on just so i do not have to worry about being bothered. To each its own.

[BlackSTX]

The way it reads is that you can change your exhaust as long as it still sounds the way it did stock.

[Valo666]

Uphere in Canada we have a really odd system with our exhausts. It has 2 pass emisions and be under 120 decimals. All of my friends with exhaust systems wen out n baught decimal readers to prove cops wrong. The ammount of times my friends have just about gotten a ticket for having exhaust systems that are "too loud". Alot of cops use their discression about weather its 2 loud or not. If u ever get pulled over in Ontairo, ask them for a decimal reader and get them to hold it 3 feet away from ur tip at a 45 degree angle and hold the car at 3000rpm. If it exceeds 120 decimals then u can get a ticket, if not u walk away scott free. lol..my buddy has an AE86 with headers, straight pipes to a resignator n thats it n hez never gotten a ticket when his exhaust is hittin 200 decimals when hez keepin reving at 3000rpm. Its about as loud as an actuall race car. So a note to keep in mind for all ontario drivers who r modifing their exhaust.

[CupCrazy38]

That sux dude... good luck.

Personally, I just don't think the 6gc is worth the time and effort to make it go faster, sound better, handle better, ect...

It gets me from point A to point B with no hassle, great gas milage, with little noise. Don't ever get it fast enough to need better handling... the cost to get it to go faster compared to the gains is crazy. The car isn't a performance car... it's an economy car that looks sporty and has a decent amount of get-up. Great daily driver...

[TRD-ST204]

Cops are real jerks and they target riced out cars or cars with modified exhuast in Elk Grove, California. It pisses me off because so many of my friends have been ticketed for having aftermarket exhuast. So now I'm skeptical of getting an exhuast. Also I have never seen a motorcycle get pulled over for having a loud exhuast, and they have the loudest exhuast on the road. Cops are just out to get us.

[ArizonaRed]

My cops in georgia are pretty cool about traffic stuff. if you watch those crazy driving videos on tv a lot of them are from georgia. a friend told me that the cops here hate ricers and would hassal me. i have a sheriffs office next to my apartment and they have never given me any grief. My car is pretty damn loud. i got pulled over once and i was racing some guy. they asked me if i knew why they pulled me over and i said that my car was too loud and they laughed and said that my headlight was out and that they were just lettin me know. everybody speeds out here. drive in Atlanta and you may be shocked to see how crazy it is. fight the ticket, what harm can it do? the cop may not even show up. All i know is that i hate driving in jersey and new york.

[chucho]

I'll find the paperwork. But the Greddy SP system is a factory upgrade, keyword factory, because it is the same exact exhaust as the TRD. Being a factory upgrade it is legal in any state. But you'll still have to do the court thing but you can get out of it.

2nd thought, you do have an SP2 which wasnt made for our car. SP was made for our car so the factory upgrade may not work for you.

Tough break niggs, theres always fubu

[reborn0323]

OMG you guys have some strict laws in the States, how the hell do you cope with it?????
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I live in Kentucky and we can pretty much do whatever we want. Cops pretty much look the other way a lot here but then again even a lot of state cops get busted all the time for drug trafficking and stuff.
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i live in louisiana and our cops don't look the other way but we can pretty much do wantever we want to our cars sans lighting regulations (underbody, etc) and tint darkness - and as long as no one calls the cops on you for noise you can make it as loud as you want

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just realized guess our laws say f the environment you just can't make your car look the way you want lol

neons under your car - hell no!! straight pipe - why not!!

This post has been edited by reborn0323: Jun 13, 2005 - 6:23 PM

[Akimbo]

2nd thought, you do have an SP2 which wasnt made for our car.  SP was made for our car so the factory upgrade may not work for you. 

Tough break niggs, theres always fubu
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The SP2 was made for the sixth gen, guys...

[Jaws4God]

I know in certain states its illegal to modify your exhaust. My friend lived in virgnia for a few years and new it was illegal to modify his exhaust but he never got pulled for it.

I believe we have no such law in North Carolina.

[darksecret]

We have emissions and sound ordinance, but the only time cops here do something about it is when they want to mess with you.

[bloodrain]

your complaining about 1 exhaust ticket?!?!

i have a WALL of tickets in my room
at least 6 are for improper/illegal exhaust
and i've had 3 different exhaust in the last year
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its not a contest
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ya i know, u shouldnt be bragging about getting tickets.

[Mr_E]

OMG you guys have some strict laws in the States, how the hell do you cope with it????? The UK dosnt look so bad sometimes when I read of things like this, we can do just about whatever we like to our cars hear.
I`d fight that one in court if you have a document saying that the exhaust is street legal in your state.
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Wanna bet?

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?...48&page=1&pp=20

"any modification to the exhaust after the date of manufacture is illegal"

Cool. My exhaust was ****ing loud from the day it was built....

[chucho]

2nd thought, you do have an SP2 which wasnt made for our car.  SP was made for our car so the factory upgrade may not work for you. 

Tough break niggs, theres always fubu
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The SP2 was made for the sixth gen, guys...
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not as a factory upgrade though the SP is the same exhaust as the TRD and would be able to obtain through ur toyota dealership when the cars were still being sold...

[creis]

my exhaust is really loud when reved but nice and plesent at idel, just stay on the cluch when you see a cop, or dont take it over 2 (if you have a manual) and say its for looks only.

get a flowmaster or a borla muffler that could probibly pass for a stock muffler looks wise, and say you cant exsplane the noise, you bought it that way, and assumed it was stock.

[Sev408]

your complaining about 1 exhaust ticket?!?!

i have a WALL of tickets in my room
at least 6 are for improper/illegal exhaust
and i've had 3 different exhaust in the last year
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ur in Fairfax dude, they are alot stricker in your county. i have friends that have about 5+ exhaust tickets alone.

PW doesnt give a **** about exhaust and what not, most of the cops i know in PW accualy like modified cars as long as your not a jackass driving them.

[Niskyspy]

Well, the laws are different for each county. So checkthemout. If it doesn't say that modified exhaust is illigal then go to court and give the paper that you got with your exhaust that says that your exhaust is 50 state legal.

[Niskyspy]

my computer at work is a POS... here i typed it out :

Vehicle and Traffic Law- NY state
§ 375

31. Mufflers and exhaust systems. Prevention of noise. Every motor vehicle, operated or driven upon the highways of the state, shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with cut-out, bypass, or similar device. No person shall modify muffler or exhaust system, in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of a motor vehicle above that emitted by the motor or exhaust system originally installed on the vehicle and such original muffler and exhaust system shall comply with all the requirements of this section:

A muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates, or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine, and effective in reducing noise.

An exhaust system is a series of mechanical devices for the purpose of receiving exhaust from an internal combustion engine and expelling it into the atmosphere.

31-a. No person shall, in the state, sell install or use a motorcycle exhaust device without internal baffles, known as “straight pipes”.

31-b. No person shall, in the state, sell install or use a motorcycle exhaust device that is intentionally designed to allow for the internal baffling to be fully or partially removed or interchangeable. This subdivision shall not apply to a motorcycle manufactured or assembled prior to nineteen hundred seventy-nine or a motorcycle registered as a limited use vehicle or an all terrain vehicle pursuant to article forty-eight-A or forty-eight-B of this chapter.
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so from wut i gather in NY u can install after market exhaust it just can't be louder then what your car sounded like stock.

that sucks.
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You can modify exhaust but as long as its in the limit of loudness. That is the whole thing. In the rules it says that exhaust should not be loud but LOUD doesn't describe what is loud or not. So when you come to court you can show them that ur exhaust is 50 state legal and is its DB's are lower than max.