Door Panels, Pics Wanted Options

[Fastbird]

Can someone show me pics of door panels in a factory configuration, of each of the following:

4 Speaker Soundsystem
6 Speaker Soundsystem
8 Speaker "Premium" Soundsystem

Just want to have a comparison.

[Batman722]

I found this
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=11536 ,- info I found

and these (usually STs)
4 speaker (no tweeters, 1 in each door, 1 in each rear panel)


6 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 1 in each door, 1 in each rear panel)


8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


Also, GTs have a stock amp, and the premium has 2 amps. hope that helps.

[Fastbird]

That's EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thank!!

I have the one in the middle, the six speaker system. You said that GT's had a factory amp. WILL that affect the install of an aftermarket head unit?? Will I be able to use a plug and play wiring harness on the aftermarket head unit?

[Batman722]

OK read this

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=18445&hl=

and this

install doctor pdf how-to for 94-99 celica

[runriot95]

That's EXACTLY what I was looking for.  Thank!!

I have the one in the middle, the six speaker system.  You said that GT's had a factory amp.  WILL that affect the install of an aftermarket head unit??  Will I be able to use a plug and play wiring harness on the aftermarket head unit?
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Yes and yes.

If you DON'T want to use the factory amp, you have to find the factory wiring that plugs into the amp. The config is like this; factory radio wires to factory amp, wiring from amp to factory wiring. The factory wiring has 2 blue plugs that plug into the wiring that goes to the amp. Unfortunately, these plugs are usually located UNDER the factory amp, which can be difficult to get to.

If you want to USE the factory amp, I believe they sell an adapter that plugs into your aftermarket stereo's pre-outs. I've never used this myself but if you want to use the factory amp with your aftermarket stereo then I think this is the only way to go.

[Fastbird]

So probably my best option for an easy install would be to get an 87 up Toyota wiring harness adapter for all my power feeds, ect., for the head unit, and then an aftermarket amp for the front door components and rear side panel coaxials. Then just comepletely re-wire the speakers off of the aftermarket amp.

Will the above scenario work without having to do a bunch of factory wiring harness cutting and splicing?? THAT is what I want to avoid. I'd like to be able to return everything to factory without being hacked up.

Lastly, WTF was toyota thinking, and why is there no simple solution.

[runriot95]

So probably my best option for an easy install would be to get an 87 up Toyota wiring harness adapter for all my power feeds, ect., for the head unit, and then an aftermarket amp for the front door components and rear side panel coaxials.  Then just comepletely re-wire the speakers off of the aftermarket amp. 

Will the above scenario work without having to do a bunch of factory wiring harness cutting and splicing??  THAT is what I want to avoid.  I'd like to be able to return everything to factory without being hacked up. 

Lastly, WTF was toyota thinking, and why is there no simple solution.
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Yes, that is exactly what I did. You will not have to cut a single factory wire using this method.

Like I said in my previous post though, the plugs for the factory wiring are located UNDER the amp and mine were actually fastened to the bottom of the amp making it almost impossible to get to them without removing all the console trim -which I eventually did. Maybe on yours you can just reach under the amp and pull them out into view.

Despite the extra work, I still would recommend bypassing the factory amp and going with a good external amp.

Depending on your setup preferences, you can use an external amp to power your front comps and maybe a sub(if you get a 4 ch amp) and use the new head unit to power the rears.

As for why Toyota set it up this way, this actually is the simplest solution. For the models that DON'T have an amp, you can just buy the wiring harness adapter and unplug the factory stereo and plug your adapter into the factory wiring. But with the premium sound system, Toyota inserted an amp into the equation, making it more difficult to get to that factory wiring. And remember, car manufacturers don't build cars to make it easy for customers to pull out THEIR stereo and put in a different one.

Anyway, good luck, and if you have questions with this whole process, just ask.

[Fastbird]

One question:

For the wiring harness to plug and play a new head unit with the factory amp, where do I get it and what's the brand/part number.

I'll probably run the speakers off the factory amp at first and then move to an aftermarket amp when I feel like it. I'm mainly itching to get an iPod ready head unit to start things off.

[jbcustom]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


actually in the premium audio package the doors house 8" drivers, some models such as the Kicker SSMB8's will not fit the bracket perfectly, thus require some modifications

[Fastbird]

Yeah, I've got no problem getting adapters. I just need to find out what wiring harness to use with the factory amp.

[azian_advanced]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


Also, GTs have a stock amp, and the premium has 2 amps. hope that helps.
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i have the 8 speaker premium package in mine.. but i only see one amp which is located beneath the driver seat. where is the other one?

[runriot95]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


Also, GTs have a stock amp, and the premium has 2 amps. hope that helps.
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i have the 8 speaker premium package in mine.. but i only see one amp which is located beneath the driver seat. where is the other one?
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The other one is behind the HVAC controls. If you remove that trim, you should see a silver cigar-shaped box directly underneath the factory stereo.

[dustin15brown]

Dude the 8 speaker is sexy... I want...

[urbandork]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


Also, GTs have a stock amp, and the premium has 2 amps. hope that helps.
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i have the 8 speaker premium package in mine.. but i only see one amp which is located beneath the driver seat. where is the other one?
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The other one is behind the HVAC controls. If you remove that trim, you should see a silver cigar-shaped box directly underneath the factory stereo.
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having an 8 spk system and taking off that panel i can confirm the 2nd amp.

[jdg371]

BAck from the dead...

i was wondering how hard would it be to make my ST (4speaker) into either 6/8speaker system.

[tomazws]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


actually in the premium audio package the doors house 8" drivers, some models such as the Kicker SSMB8's will not fit the bracket perfectly, thus require some modifications

i wish i have this door....

[snadman]

That's an edited GT 6 speaker system...I made it an 8 speaker system. 8" subs, 5 1/4" mids...tweets...and some nice rear fills. Too bad it died and I put this system in my civic. It sounded excellent though. A nicer idea though would be to do a smaller 5 1/4" or even a 4" or 3" mid. Diamond Audio has a sweet 3 speaker setup with crossover that offers a 7" sub, 3 or 4" mid and then the tweet.

[dlx742]

how would you put a 6.5" speaker in the door where the 8" normally goes. would use some kind of bracket?

[jdg371]

how would you put a 6.5" speaker in the door where the 8" normally goes. would use some kind of bracket?

I believe its 6.5 stock, and if you wanted 8 they remove the ring around the speaker

[soven]

how would you put a 6.5" speaker in the door where the 8" normally goes. would use some kind of bracket?

Make a spacer out of mdf to space it down to 6.5

[Rayme]

would you guys recommend replaced the blown 8" drivers in the premium door setup or making a bracket and installing replacement 8" subs??? I was looking at 8" rockford punch, they are cheap...

[djspike]

I have an ST (4 speaker panel), my panels are getting old and I would like to replace them.
Would the 8 speaker panel one fit?

Thanx

[chucho]

I know the stock speaker that was in my door was 8"
But when I put my Kicker 8" midbass drivers I had to cut & trim the mount and got them to fit pretty easily.

[Dm_Vinny]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


actually in the premium audio package the doors house 8" drivers, some models such as the Kicker SSMB8's will not fit the bracket perfectly, thus require some modifications

Damn I want those door panels they look so ummm NEW!!! =)

[Velliety]

how would you put a 6.5" speaker in the door where the 8" normally goes. would use some kind of bracket?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Speaker-ada...sspagenameZWDVW
I have these, they worked great.
Samantha

[rad1an7]

I bought the midbass Kicker 8" for my door panels. Whoever said it needs modification is correct, if you dont then your door wont be able to go on correctly. So what I did is just cut the bracket to where it will flex around the kickers, wrapped it around the kicker put a screw in it and sealed the entire thing with sealant.

Sounds nice and works.

[Negative]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


actually in the premium audio package the doors house 8" drivers, some models such as the Kicker SSMB8's will not fit the bracket perfectly, thus require some modifications

There is another option too. I had stock the 8"s in the door, the tweets in the mirrors and the 6"s in the rear with one amp, CD/Radio and no tape deck.
The only 8 speaker setups I have seen have been in verts. IDK if that's always true just what I have seen.

[LeonStryfe]

premium sound rocks made me stay stock for awhile now I have a GT 94 hack

This post has been edited by LeonStryfe: Mar 1, 2007 - 3:48 PM

[azian_advanced]

yup, the stock 8 speaker system is good enough for me to stay stock. the only thing different now is my headunit. now i just need to fix all the buzzing in my doors...

[dutchboy]

Do the 4 speaker systems have the external OEM amp?

Hopefully not, sounds like a hassle(don't want to add amp/wires).

[azian_advanced]

there are no external amplifiers with the 4 speaker system..

[pittfirefighter]

8 speaker (1 tweeter in each mirror triangle, 2 in each door (4"and 6.5"), 1 in each rear panel)


actually in the premium audio package the doors house 8" drivers, some models such as the Kicker SSMB8's will not fit the bracket perfectly, thus require some modifications

There is another option too. I had stock the 8"s in the door, the tweets in the mirrors and the 6"s in the rear with one amp, CD/Radio and no tape deck.
The only 8 speaker setups I have seen have been in verts. IDK if that's always true just what I have seen.

I have the premium 8 speaker package in a hatchback... 95 GT...so it was available on others than the convertible but my GT is fully loaded . Your eights are actually 6.5's in "custom" stock brackets to fit the eight inch holes. and they are 6.5's in the back and thats the same for every option

on another note... i know from taking out the premium sound that the HVAC amp in the eight speaker is the same as the 6 speaker and the one under the driver seat powers the 25W (compared to 15W) 8 inch sub woofers in the door (yes they are subs) AND both amps are Fujitsu Ten meaning we have ECLIPSE amps stock in our cars much love to ECLIPSE for some of the best sounding equipment... i've always used there stuff and will til i die also i will be posting in the for sale topic my premium sound amps (both of them) and the wiring for it all in good and working condition since i now have an eclipse touch screen head unit powering it all

This post has been edited by pittfirefighter: Jul 5, 2007 - 11:56 AM

[Matt_95_Conv]

I bought the midbass Kicker 8" for my door panels. Whoever said it needs modification is correct, if you dont then your door wont be able to go on correctly. So what I did is just cut the bracket to where it will flex around the kickers, wrapped it around the kicker put a screw in it and sealed the entire thing with sealant.

Sounds nice and works.

Are you referring to the Kicker SSMB8 speakers? I was considering a pair to replace the stock speakers which have crumbled surrounds. At $99 online they sound like a pretty good deal. With the stock speakers costing $160 / each, it doesn't make sense to go stock.

However, I'm concerned that the Kickers are 4 ohm rather than the stock 2 ohm. Do they sound all right, or do they sound excessively quiet, given they have double the resistance of the stock speakers?

Either way, I'm sure they sound better than speakers with completely disintegrated surrounds!!

Also, does anyone have recommendations for replacements for the 6.5" speakers in the rear?

Thanks,

Matt

[soven]

Why do you say that it is 2ohm? both my celica come with 4 ohm speakers and 2ohm speakers is not common at all.

[Matt_95_Conv]

Why do you say that it is 2ohm? both my celica come with 4 ohm speakers and 2ohm speakers is not common at all.

I know 2-ohm is not common...that's why it's next to impossible to find a 2-ohm replacement. From looking ath the drivers int the doors, the 4" midrange and the tweeters are both marked 4-ohm, while the stock 8" drivers are marked 2-ohm on the back. Putting a 4-ohm speaker where there had been a 2-ohm will effectively reduce the power of the amp, so I was concerned about them sounding too quiet relative to the rest of the system.

[FortuneCookie]

OK. Let me get this straight. So, it's TWO 6.5" Tweeter Speakers in the front (for the 2 big ones)? Alot of people are saying 8" speakers and it's really confusing.

[BloodyStupidDave...]

OK. Let me get this straight. So, it's TWO 6.5" Tweeter Speakers in the front (for the 2 big ones)? Alot of people are saying 8" speakers and it's really confusing.

There are at least five configurations of speaker system for the Celica:

1. 6.5" in the rear, 6.5" in the front. I believe this is standard for the US and the ST in the UK
2. 6.5" in the rear, 8" in the front. I believe this is standard for the GT in the UK
3. 6.5" in the rear, 8" and tweater in the front
4. 6.5" in the rear, 6.5" and tweater in the front
5. 6.5" in the rear, 4", 8" and tweater in the front

I think it is this last configuration that most people here are talking about.

This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Aug 21, 2007 - 2:11 PM

[Sinyk]

It's not an 8" speaker, it's a 6.5" speaker in an 8" hole.

[killacustomimpor...]

OMG noob moment!!! i totally didn't even know that that box under my seat was an AMP!! i just shrugged it off and thought it was the ecu or something. So i have a question...i have an aftermarket kenwood deck and when the shop installed it, they had to bypass the internal amp. So, my deck alone doesn't push enough power for the 8 speakers. (actually its only six, as i have removed the back speakers because they were blown) Since it doesn't produce enough power, my 8" subs don't hit as hard as they did with factory deck. ( I would have stayed stock but my factory deck skipped on every little bump) So my question is can i somehow still use that external amp??? Thanks everyone for the info!!

[pittfirefighter]

OK. Let me get this straight. So, it's TWO 6.5" Tweeter Speakers in the front (for the 2 big ones)? Alot of people are saying 8" speakers and it's really confusing.

There are at least five configurations of speaker system for the Celica:

1. 6.5" in the rear, 6.5" in the front. I believe this is standard for the US and the ST in the UK
2. 6.5" in the rear, 8" in the front. I believe this is standard for the GT in the UK
3. 6.5" in the rear, 8" and tweater in the front
4. 6.5" in the rear, 6.5" and tweater in the front
5. 6.5" in the rear, 4", 8" and tweater in the front

I think it is this last configuration that most people here are talking about.

as far as i know.. the only 8" were available in the 8 speaker premium sound with the 2 amps (number 5)... the other options have a 6.5 inch speaker in a molded metal adapter so numbers 2 and 3 don't exist but all front holes are 8" and all backs are 6.5"

[ShadowSX]

I have the basic 4 speaker system and in the doors there are 8" (NOT 6.5" in 8" hole) and in the back 6.5" speakers. My Celica is an european version.

[pittfirefighter]

can you take a picture of the 8"? thats a giant speaker to have for a 4 speaker system