Keep warping rotors, im really frustrated!, Getting warped for the 3rd time Options

[eliaz]

Ok, so having replaced my front discs for the third time I can notice that the rotors is being warped again. I have only driven 250 miles with my new set and I can now feel that they (or maybe just one of them) are slightly warped. I replaced the new discs with OEM toyota discs and EBC greenstuff pads. I have noticed that the right disc is much warmer that the left one. Ok, so I thought that the caliper is stuck somehow. I have overhauled all four calipers about 6 months ago. Today I took out the caliper and both sylinders, all seems fine and the slide without any prob. I can push them into the caliper body with just my fingers! I tried a testrun without no braking at all and I can say for sure that the right disk are warm (let's say about 115F), so the caliper are not retreating fully? Not working 100%? I have no more ideas, I really hope someone can help me. I am getting really frustrated

Edit: Oh, I've been really careful when braking.

This post has been edited by eliaz: Jun 4, 2006 - 7:01 AM

[vsideboy]

make sure the hub is entirely flat and clean when you mount the rotor onto it. If it is not then it would feel like it is warped when it is just not sat flat. Get a dial test indicator and fasten the magnet part onto your strutt, then put the dial against the rotor so it is just touching, when you spin the rotor the needle on the dial shouldn't move very much, if it is moving then take off the rotor and put it on a different way, then try again. I can't push my pistons in by hand yet they work ok so your calipers sound fine.
OR
the master cylinder should slightly pull the pistons back into the caliper when you let off the brake so possibly the master cyclinder has a problem.

hope it helps.

[Bitter]

are your wheels torqued to the correct specs with the right pattern?
are all the mating surfaces flat?
did you bed the pads and burnish the rotors properly?
is the caliper piston sticking in its bore?
is the retracting seal worn out and not retracting?

do your brakes feel soft or mushy or do they feel normally firm?

[eliaz]

I've cleaned the hub before installing the new discs, but I don't know if it is entirely flat. Where can i get a dial test indicator?

are your wheels torqued to the correct specs with the right pattern?

Yes

are all the mating surfaces flat?

That I'm not 100% sure of

did you bed the pads and burnish the rotors properly?

Yup

is the caliper piston sticking in its bore?

Slides fine

is the retracting seal worn out and not retracting?

retracting seal? When I overhauled my calipers I bought OEM rebuild kits with gommets and new seals.


My brakes don't feel soft at all, they are really good exept from the vibrations caused by warped rotors.
My guess is the master cylinder Is it possible to get a rebuild kit for it?
Are there one piston per caliper in the master cylinder? My guess is that the master cylinder is not retracting the right caliper pistons like it should, because the disc on that side is getting warm without braking. Does that sound likely?

This post has been edited by eliaz: Jun 4, 2006 - 12:01 PM

[LewFX]

sounds like you got a bad wheel bearing causing this.

[eliaz]

How come the disc getting warm?

[celica101]

Dude check your brake hoses, mine did the same thing. turned out the brake hoses were hardened and falling apart from the inside out, and not releasing the fluid properly. they are like 80 bux for both sides

[eliaz]

Dude check your brake hoses, mine did the same thing. turned out the brake hoses were hardened and falling apart from the inside out, and not releasing the fluid properly. they are like 80 bux for both sides

Oh man! I thought of the same thing, but I somehow overlooked that for a possibility. How much of the brake hoses did you replace?
Just the ones from the wheelwell to the caliper?

Btw, I checked my wheel bearing just now, seems fine.

[LewFX]

seems like a seized up or (locked) hub and bearing because of the vibrations. any prob with that can cause the rotor to rotate at a slight angle. take off the wheel, use the lugs to keep rotor on, spin it and see if the rotor is moving straigh or if its crook'ed whens the last time you bleed the brakes? i also dont think toyota discs dont like ceramics i tried ceramics with oem and it didnt work, got brembos and ceramics was okay, now slotted and drilled rotors with ceramics and like it allot.

This post has been edited by LewFX: Jun 4, 2006 - 4:34 PM

[eliaz]

Bleed them about a week ago when I checked the caliper. Well, the stopping power is awsome, really good breaking. It is just the damn rotors beeing warped over and over again..! Last time the rotors got warped I used OEM pads and rotors

[soulshadow]

Stop drinking too much and quit dopping ! (im just kidding). Do not expect the celicas to have perfect braking capabilites, they were meant to be economy cars especially the ST USA versions.

All brakes and rotors will eventually become warped over the usage of braking left and right.
I suggest that when you put on new rotors and brakes you should step very hard on them every now and then to break them in. Also its most likely that your brake pads are one of the reasons that your rotors are warping a lot faster then usual.

[celica101]

yeah just the wheel well to the caliper

[purplegt4]

I suggest that when you put on new rotors and brakes you should step very hard on them every now and then to break them in.

i've heard the opposite.

[vsideboy]

I wouldn't step on them hard, I would just drive with my foot on the brake (light to medium pressure) for a few hundred yards, that should be enough to get rid of any coatings, I just replaced my front discs and found that the pads were only braking on the outside half inch of the disc, this caused alot of vibration but now they are worn to use most of the disc the vibration has gone, can you see if the pads are using all the disc?

Sorry, I could borrow a Dial Indicator from work, not sure where you could get hold of one, most engineering companies would have them if you knew someone that works in that kind of business? Or a less accurate way is to remove the caliper, but not the bracket the caliper fastens to, keep a couple of nuts on to hold the disc firmly against the hub and spin it whilst looking at the gaps between the caliper bracket and the disc, this should show you where it is moving, then you can take the disc off and have a check underneath it at the high point for any debris or if the hub looks slightly bent?

[eliaz]

All brakes and rotors will eventually become warped over the usage of braking left and right.

Not after 250 miles?

Do not expect the celicas to have perfect braking capabilites, they were meant to be economy cars especially the ST USA versions.

I have the 3S-GE powered GT

I suggest that when you put on new rotors and brakes you should step very hard on them every now and then to break them in.

i've heard the opposite.

I was really careful with my new set, braked very light in the brake-in period of the pads.

I just replaced my front discs and found that the pads were only braking on the outside half inch of the disc, this caused alot of vibration but now they are worn to use most of the disc the vibration has gone, can you see if the pads are using all the disc?

I think I had the same issue with my last set.

yeah just the wheel well to the caliper

I'll try to replace the brake hoses on both sides with some performance ones and see if I get a good result.
I'll also try the less accurte way to find out if the hub is bent somehow.

[SinisterWhisper]

I can't say I am having all that much luck with toyota's brakes either. I got my brakes checked about 6 months after I got my car and the dealership said I had 3/4 of my pads left. Mind you they had been squeeling so I thought it was the brake wear indicator, but they said it was just aftermarket pads. Well sure enough a few months later I go in again and they say all my brakes are ruined (I drive an st for christs sake). So 500 dollars later I had new yota oem brakes. That was in december and yesterday I noticed my brakes were squeeling slightly

[eliaz]

Did you put copper grease on back of the pads? Helps alot on squeeling

[eliaz]

So I called Toyota today and they said they had some problems with brake hoses not releasing the fluid properly. They aslo said that when this happened the caliper wouldn't suck back the cylinder properly. So I'm replacing my brake hoses, should I get some performance ones or just regular OEM?

[bindertch]

Go performance. You know you want to. Also If you have larger rims than stock you can also increase the chance that you will warp the rotors. Exact thing happened to my truck when I went up to 33" tires.

[DomGT]

If you go with aftermarket brake lines please let me know which product you choose. Thanks.