Which Would You Rather Own?, Stock Boosted Cars Options

[devilsden97]

Basic idea is, I was speaking to Maskedman about this topic. (in around about way)

We were saying how all the NEW cars, (pretty general rationalization) we wouldnt buy. Long story short, we got into discussing prices, and how EVOs and STIs hold the market for the "sports sedan". Then I remembered running across an article in Car and Driver, or some magazine like that. Saying that Mazda's sport division, MazdaSpeed, was putting out a Turbocharged, AWD, version of there already criticly aclaimed version of the 6. (the Mazda 6 won numerious awards for value, and styling, when it was initially introduced)

So it got me thinking, Which would you rather own? and Why?

(This is an open poll for discussion, but please do not bash others opinions. Links of facts and specs are welcome to validate points of view)

[MaskedMan]

Well here are some of the stats comparing the 3 to make it easier to take a look at. All of them are 6-speed manual AWD 4 cylinders sedans.

Evo MR / Subi STi / MazdaSpeed6


Engine : 2.0lt 286HP / 2.5lt 300HP / 2.3lt 274HP

WEIGHT : 3285 lbs / 3351 lbs / 3589 lbs

BASE PRICE : $34,089 / $32,923 / $27,406

MPG HWY/CTY : 24/18 / 24/18 / 26/20

This post has been edited by MaskedMan: Sep 17, 2006 - 3:08 PM

[devilsden97]

MazdaSpeed6:
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPag...vehicleCode=MS6

Subaru STI:
http://www.subaru.com/shop/specifications....ory=PERFORMANCE

Mitsubishi Evo IX MR:
http://www.mitsubishimotors.com/MMSA/jsp/l...sp?t=mechanical

these are all the mechanical specs for the cars. But you can get to all the other specs from the links above as well.

[devilsden97]

Explination for why I voted for what I voted for.

I voted for the MazdaSpeed 6.

Based on the idea that all the cars are turbocharged, AWD, 6spd transmissions, I decided to negate all that information. (like horsepower, and such. [yes i understand that the STI has 300, while the 6 only has 274, but in reality, there almost the same. very few people will beable to tell the difference])


So I started with Price.

MazdaSpeed 6 Grand Touring (top model)

6-speed manual transmission
Active Torque Split all-wheel drive
18-inch alloy wheels
Leather-trimmed seats
8-way power driver's seat
Heated front seats and mirrors
Advanced keyless entry and start system
Bose surround sound

Options added: Navigation system
Power Sunroof

Final price: $ 33,285

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/selectConf...;x=123&y=14
^EXACTLY what I built

Subaru STI:

IMPREZA - WRX STI SEDAN
Exterior: Aspen White
Interior: Blue Alcantara
Transmission: Manual 6-speed

Base MSRP* $32,995
Transmission $0
Packages $0
Accessories $669
Destination & Delivery $625

Total $34,289

Options:
Fogs (both other cars come standard with fog lamps)
Subwoofer

http://www.subaru.com/shop/configurator/st...m=WRX_STI_SEDAN
^this is EXACTLY what I built

Lancer Evolution MR

MSRP* $ 36,299

Comes standard with: a factory performance-tuned (2.0-liter, MIVEC DOHC, 16-valve, turbocharged and intercooled) engine with 286 horsepower and 289 lb-ft of torque, front-mounted air-to-air intercooler, close-ratio six-speed manual transmission with aluminum shift knob* and Teflon-coated cables, full-time AWD with an electronic Active Center Differential (with three driver-selectable modes—tarmac, snow and gravel), aluminum body panels (roof, front fenders and hood), turbo boost gauge kit*, aluminum sport pedals, four-wheel ventilated Brembo® disc brakes with four-channel Mitsubishi Sports anti-lock system (with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution), 17" x 8" double-seven spoke BBS® forged aluminum alloy wheels, wheel locks*, W-speed rated Yokohama P235/45 Advan® (high-grip, soft-compound) radial tires, four-wheel independent suspension with inverted Bilstein® mono-tube front and rear dampers, front Recaro® bucket seats with premium Alcantara® fabric, leather-wrapped Momo® three-spoke steering wheel, color-keyed rear spoiler with carbon-fiber airfoil and wickerbill**, roof-mounted rear Vortex Generator*, HID headlights with in-cluster halogen fog lights, 140-watt CD audio system with six speakers, power windows/locks/mirrors, keyless-entry system and more.

(Evo MR has no options (other then performance), what you get is listed above.)

After seeing all this, that basicly clinched it. PRICE does matter.
MazdaSpeed6 +1

If you wanna ignore that. Then thats ok. Ill go into my opinons then.

I like the idea of a "sleeper," if you look at the STI and EVO MR, they have huge wings and other such parifinalia that make them extra flashy. I like a car thats not to flamboyant. (sp) I like a car that is refined, and has some luxury items. (like heated leather seats, navigation, etc.) The only car that even offered thos options was the MazdaSpeed6. The MR and STI are stricktly race cars. And yes, if thats what your buying it for, then I would probally say go with one of those because the after market on them are insane. But for me, it would be a daily driver, that you can pow wow around the track with some of the better cars. (STI and EVO MR included). Daily Drivability +1

Another thing that I like about the MazdaSpeed6 is that its unique. (like the 6gc) How many people here came into this thread, and were like "MazdaSpeed6? what car is that?". How many STI's and Evos do you see daily? How about at your local tuner scene? How many MazdaSpeed6's are out there? Honestly, almost none. Uniqueness +1.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Sep 17, 2006 - 3:38 PM

[Shocker]

i voted for the mazda..I voted mazda based on driving in a protege speed it was a very fun car to driving its not the fastest car out there but definatly a joy to drive..and i think mazda is kinda of up and coming in the sport compact market and with the success with the rx7 and a few miatas..i think they will be working hard for quite awhile to creat a an affordable car fot the import scene.

[Culpable04]

MAZDA = Ford

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Sep 17, 2006 - 7:00 PM

[MaskedMan]

The Mazda rx-8 is a rather nice car already popular in the import scene. Yes it feels rather underpowered for a car that is supposed to replace the RX7, but still, people that were willing to put the time and money into it have made some pretty impressive rides. But this thread isn't about the RX-8. I voted for the EVO MR, i mean, it's not a hands down decision, cuase i would love to have any one of those rides, but the reason i went with the EVO MR was becuase it is one BAMF car. I don't have good reasoning for my choice haha.

[WH95TE]

STi but id rather have an 03' body.

[spolski07]

STI
for the sole fact
that im one of the few people who absolutely love the new front
and 300HP AWD is amazing
i have my daily driver (celica, duh!)
so id get an STI for the track, i never see them down here
the mazdaspeed6 i dont see, but i see the normal 6's
and i see normal lancers
i never see impreza's or wrx's or STI's

[devilsden97]

MAZDA = Ford

i know this.

ever heard of the Ford Escort Cosworth?

not to mention, subi is made by GM (so i believe)
and the evo is a DSM (no matter how u slice it, ur gonna break something)

I rest my case, im sticking with the MazdaSpeed6


This post has been edited by devilsden97: Sep 17, 2006 - 10:45 PM

[lagos]

i voted for the EVO9.

hands down the best car out of all of those. my buddy has one and let me drive it as well as go on a few rides with him. its an amazing car. the power, grip, handeling and brakes are just amazing. not to mention they are very easy to mod. he dynoed bone stock at 260hp at the wheels. then last week he got a 3in turbo back exhaust and went back to the dyno. he did 292hp! his only mods are the ehxaust and a filter on the intake instead of the factory air box! they run 20psi stock, and have an electronic cam timing (think vvtli, vtec, etc.) he said that with an ecu flash and an mbc (just to hold the boost steady) the car will make 340hp the wheels.

i used to really like the 05 sti. blue with gold bbs rims looks just so awesome on that car. but after learing more about them, and talking to alot of their owners, its clear that the evo9 is a much better car.

This post has been edited by lagos: Sep 17, 2006 - 11:08 PM

[Akimbo]

EVO9, no doubt about it. The Mazda is slow and has a sloppy transmission, according to most reviews. Not that it isn't comfortable though.

[Shocker]

i change my vote to a 1989 grand national...or GNX,,,cheaper and go up in value

This post has been edited by Shocker: Sep 18, 2006 - 12:01 AM

[95sweetness]

definitly for evo 9...the introduction of mivec, more aggressive ecu and better/stronger 4g63 then before..ppl with just turbo back , mbc n a tune (ecuflash) are makin of upward to 350 whp.. amazing with just 3 things can put soo much hp on the 9

[Davesceli]

I chose the evo9. The new subie is just ugly, i hate that front end. Since he said 06-07, i had to go the evo, the mr is just beautiful!!!

[hitcachi]

subaru has since changed the front end of the new WRX's and other models. They've done away with it already.

[boosted_K2]

evo is the best car on that list by far performance wise. BTW, there is no 07 evo... it is taking a year off before the X comes out in 08

[boosted_K2]

MAZDA = Ford

not to mention, subi is made by GM (so i believe)
and the evo is a DSM (no matter how u slice it, ur gonna break something)

I rest my case, im sticking with the MazdaSpeed6

#1 there is no such thing as a DSM car anymore... the term DSM refers to vehicles made as a joint venture between chrysler and mitsubishi and these vehicles were all made in the USA (never sold in japan).
heres something for you to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Mo...ring_of_America

#2 GM and subaru are about as closely tied as toyota and GM. subaru is actually a product of fuji heavy industries (hmmm could this be why on their VIN plates they say "fuji heavy industries" hmmmm) GM owned a small portion of subaru in the early-mid 2000s and used that to create the 92X, last year GM backed out (likely because the saabarus didnt sell well and saab had to practically give them away, and i would speculate that subaru wouldnt let them dictate their operations, but thats just my opinion) the 92x is now discontinued, and subaru continues to do its own thing. more reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_9-2X

[saleeka]

/\ DSM's were actually imported in limited numbers to Japan (Eclipses, both first and second gens.)

This post has been edited by saleeka: Sep 18, 2006 - 8:43 AM

[devilsden97]

evo is the best car on that list by far performance wise. BTW, there is no 07 evo... it is taking a year off before the X comes out in 08

My bad sorry.

MAZDA = Ford

not to mention, subi is made by GM (so i believe)
and the evo is a DSM (no matter how u slice it, ur gonna break something)

I rest my case, im sticking with the MazdaSpeed6

#1 there is no such thing as a DSM car anymore... the term DSM refers to vehicles made as a joint venture between chrysler and mitsubishi and these vehicles were all made in the USA (never sold in japan).
heres something for you to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Mo...ring_of_America

#2 GM and subaru are about as closely tied as toyota and GM. subaru is actually a product of fuji heavy industries (hmmm could this be why on their VIN plates they say "fuji heavy industries" hmmmm) GM owned a small portion of subaru in the early-mid 2000s and used that to create the 92X, last year GM backed out (likely because the saabarus didnt sell well and saab had to practically give them away, and i would speculate that subaru wouldnt let them dictate their operations, but thats just my opinion) the 92x is now discontinued, and subaru continues to do its own thing. more reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_9-2X

When I said DSM i ment Mitsubishi, and 95% of the community knew what i ment. Also I had some idea that GM had some doings with mitusbishi, because the saab 92X had the same motor as the WRX, but i didnt know how much.

And like I said, my rational is more for DAily driving rather then racing on a track.