check out this exhaust manifold, GT35R powered alltrac by speed-source Options

[jgreening]

Car porn for you perusal:

[shin]

dammmmmmmmmmnn.. i just wet my pants

[doGGy]

Totaly different solution It looks really really nice!

BTW: On ebay there is a Apexi 3SGTE Header for sale floating around long time already - for some reasonable $ - some one should check it out!

[x_itchy_b_x]

same car i think. very original idea. i have a friend who wanted to do this on his sentra.
not a bad idea at all.

[snapshotgt]

I heard the large amount of money this guy paid.. insane.

edit: Looks sweet though

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Jan 5, 2007 - 12:37 PM

[vg30dett93]

This ones by FULL-RACE.COM it says it will fit fwd 3rd 3sgte

[Punisher]

Ya that AT has a 3rd gen in her... that is the only reason that setup works.. because of the AFM.. however.. standalone or what not and get rid of AFM and you're in business.. very very nice turbo setup indeed.. I don't know how practical for every day street though..

That apexi on ebay is pretty damn good.. See how the runners are setup to compliment exhaust pulses? 1-4 and 2-3...

This post has been edited by Punisher: Jan 6, 2007 - 1:06 AM

[Gary]

Ya that AT has a 3rd gen in her... that is the only reason that setup works.. because of the AFM.. however.. standalone or what not and get rid of AFM and you're in business.. very very nice turbo setup indeed.. I don't know how practical for every day street though..

That apexi on ebay is pretty damn good.. See how the runners are setup to compliment exhaust pulses? 1-4 and 2-3...

Nope. that car has 2nd gen engine.
Look at the oil filter. The 3rd gen has filter at the bottom.
This is Bill's old ST185 and was sold to Jonstew
He has Speedsource changed the manifold/turbo setup.

[NuclearHappineS]

go to honda-tech and do a search for 'sidewinder' manifold... nothing new...

[hitcachi]

I never really seen anything quite like that before. Sorry us toyota guys arent as l337 as those sweet honda tech guys.

[playr158]

meh, all those pipes do is act as a radiator loosing thermal energy and slowing spool......shorter runners

[jgreening]

I'm sure you know better than the craftsman that created that masterpiece Dan.

[lagos]

looks like they do really high quality work.

they probably had to mount it like that, because the 5th gen has almost no room between the turbo and the radiator fans. it shouldnt cause any spool issues. ever see how far from the manifold subaru mounts their turbos?

[94_st_hatchback]

if we use that in a 6th gen., wouldn't the wg hit the radiator at that position??

[presure2]

if we use that in a 6th gen., wouldn't the wg hit the radiator at that position??

if it fits the 5th gen it should fit the 6gc as well.

[Punisher]

That full race manifold will work fine.. that is how i have my wastegate setup...

As for that being a 2nd gen motor.. maybe the block is.. but that is an 8bolt head...

[MaskedMan]

How come in the first pic his valve cover (and maybe entire engine) is from an ST185, but in the 2nd pic, it looks like it's from an MR2?

[Gary]

That full race manifold will work fine.. that is how i have my wastegate setup...

As for that being a 2nd gen motor.. maybe the block is.. but that is an 8bolt head...

Trust me, it's 2nd gen block AND head.
It is a 93 engine.
That is 9 bolt head, just like mine.
On 3rd gen head, those two studs are vertically aligned.

Like this one.


BTW, he changed the valve cover in the later setup.

[Punisher]

That full race manifold will work fine.. that is how i have my wastegate setup...

As for that being a 2nd gen motor.. maybe the block is.. but that is an 8bolt head...

Trust me, it's 2nd gen block AND head.
It is a 93 engine.
That is 9 bolt head, just like mine.
On 3rd gen head, those two studs are vertically aligned.

Like this one.


BTW, he changed the valve cover in the later setup.

Interesting.. I thought it was a 2nd gen from other things but when I saw that manifold I thought 3rd gen..

[playr158]

I'm sure you know better than the craftsman that created that masterpiece Dan.

response:

Paying for less performance--exhaust manifolds

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We've all seen the big, blingy exhaust manifolds on some of the expensive turbo kits with long pipes running up and over and under and down. The manufacturer says it provides equal length tuned runners to scavange the exhaust away from the cylinders. Worth the money? Usually not.

Turbines run on heat. The hotter the exhaust, the faster they spool and the more boost they can make. Need proof? Try this for an experiment on your EMS: take out several degrees of timing in the spoolup and boost region of your maps. The EGTs climb and you'll notice faster spooling and, if your turbo setup is right on the edge of boost creep, you'll get more boost creep.

The problem is, those beautiful, long, shinny pipes act as radiators. They lengthen the distance that the hot exhaust must travel between the port and the turbine and radiate that heat off into the engine bay where it becomes a liability rather than a benefit.

What about the scavenging effects? Bogus! As you start to push your turbine to make big power (whatever big power is for your turbo) exhaust manifold pressure will increase substantially and the scavenging effects of the returning finite pressure waves is greatly minimized. So much for all those beautiful pipes snaking all around the engine bay.

What works best? Short pipes coated with a thermal coating. In fact, the stock exhaust manifold coated and ported is probably going to outperform just about anything you can get out there.

food for thought reading and research for anyone interested
part 1: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=6629...age=1&pp=30
part 2: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=6701...length+manifold