shooting at VT... Options

[miro1975]

I was just wondering if anybody out there is from Virginia or going to VT.
That is crazy what happend there. I still cant believe it. 32 dead and shooter.
I hope everybody out there is OK.... Let us know....

[devilsden97]

ok ill break this open into a discussion.

(which will needlessly end up in a fight and the thread will get locked..but here goes)


its a great loss, but looking beyond that at the facts, how come the shooter (i understand there are ideas about there being 2 shooters) shot 2, then 2 HOURS later shot 30 more a half mile away? HOW in the world is that possible? Wouldn't the police been on the campus? (shouldnt they have been at least?) Also, no one questioned a student that was chaining closed exit doors to a building?

to me it seems like there was a lack of attetion given to the student body, (based on no one questioning [student or faculty alike] a student chaining closed doors) and that there was a lack of accurate assesment of the situation when the first shootings occured.


and for the record:

1) I dont know all the facts, and i dont clam too.
2) Its just my opinion based on what i HAVE heard.

Discuss.

[Davesceli]

ok ill break this open into a discussion.

(which will needlessly end up in a fight and the thread will get locked..but here goes)


its a great loss, but looking beyond that at the facts, how come the shooter (i understand there are ideas about there being 2 shooters) shot 2, then 2 HOURS later shot 30 more a half mile away? HOW in the world is that possible? Wouldn't the police been on the campus? (shouldnt they have been at least?) Also, no one questioned a student that was chaining closed exit doors to a building?

to me it seems like there was a lack of attetion given to the student body, (based on no one questioning [student or faculty alike] a student chaining closed doors) and that there was a lack of accurate assesment of the situation when the first shootings occured.


and for the record:

1) I dont know all the facts, and i dont clam too.
2) Its just my opinion based on what i HAVE heard.

Discuss.

I totally agree with you there is no way something like this should have happened. The school should have been in lock down from the moment a report of two dead people in the dorm.

like above this my opinion based on what i've heard....most of the accounts say that the students were killed execution style....the one thing i can't comprehend is how the students could sit there and watch as someone executes a fellow students and not even try to stop it.

I know its easy for me to say because i wasn't there, but i couldn't just stand there waiting for my turn to die. I am not going to be killed without a fight.

[jcaron9gt4]

from what i have heard, i guess the students were told to stay inside and lock everything up....then they were released, and able to roam campus again, without the shooter even being found yet!! yea, that sh*ts f'd up
...very sad...

[94GT]

Check out this f'd up play that the shooter wrote last year. What an a-hole...

Play by Shooter

[Sh0gunkid8721]

Virginia Tech is going to lose A LOT of students and money next year it's not even funny. Within the span of 7-8 monthes, theyve had an ex con loose on campus, 2 bomb threats and now this massacre. Whose going to want to go to this college now?

[2003cbgts]

thats extremely ****ed up...

This post has been edited by 2003cbgts: Apr 17, 2007 - 11:27 PM

[playr158]

watch what you people say and what accusations you make.....

These are people myself and my friends know and the facts arn't always correct in the media

1 shooter, 31 deaths of victims.............


there were cops on campus after shooting #1 though

This post has been edited by playr158: Apr 17, 2007 - 10:10 PM

[orvillescelica]

Its easy to say these things in hindsight, "why didnt they lock down the entire campus?" "Shouldnt the police have done more?"

In reality, there were more than enough police investigating the first shooting. All the dorms were notified to warn the students after the first shooting. It was an incident that was being investigated with police on scene from the moment it was reported to the second report of shootings two hours later. The cops didnt just stop by the dorm and leave, they were taking evidence, talking to witnesses, there was no evidence to suspect that the man responsible would go on the worst killing spree in US history. If there is a bank robbery, do you then lock down all the banks in the city just in case?

The police were trying to warn as many people as possible, but this is an open campus with over 25,000 students and teachers, most of which were in transit to the campus at the time.

Its saddening to hear that VT will lose students, because in reality it could have happened at any school. Its not VTs fault and i get frustrated to hear that people are calling for the president and the police chief to be fired. It sounded like everyone followed procedure that was standing. But of course procedure does not account for these type of incidents, which are VERY VERY VERY unlikely. Nevertheless it did happen and it was/is such a terrible and horriffic act.

[Consynx]

i for one think the Dean acted like every other Dean would have acted on a non-catholic university. . .

just sad that his writing or something didn't get him more than just a meeting w/ a counsellor.

[3WayStunna]

the shootings were horrible and sad, but the video that was mailed to msnbc, was even worste, not to forget what Mr.Cho said in the video....

link ------> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_...a_tech_shooting




Heres the article

"BLACKSBURG, Va. - Midway through his murderous rampage, the Virginia Tech gunman went to the post office and mailed NBC a package containing photos and videos of him brandishing guns and delivering a snarling, profanity-laced tirade about rich "brats" and their "hedonistic needs."



"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui says in a harsh monotone. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."

NBC said the package contained a rambling and often-incoherent, 1,800-word video manifesto, plus 43 photos, 11 of them showing him aiming handguns at the camera.

He repeatedly suggests he was picked on or otherwise hurt.

"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience," he says, apparently reading from his manifesto. "You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."

The package arrived at NBC's headquarters in New York two days after Cho killed 32 people and committed suicide in the deadliest one-man shooting rampage in modern U.S. history. It bore a Postal Service time stamp showing that it had been mailed at a Virginia post office at 9:01 a.m. Monday, about an hour and 45 minutes after Cho first opened fire.

That would help explain one of the biggest mysteries about the massacre: where the gunman was and what he did during that two-hour window between the first burst of gunfire, at a high-rise dorm, and the second fusillade, at a classroom building.

"Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," says Cho, a South Korean immigrant whose parents work at a dry cleaners in surburban Washington. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."

Some of the pictures show him smiling; others show him frowning and snarling. Some depict him brandishing two weapons at a time, one in each hand. He wears a khaki-colored military-style vest, fingerless gloves, a black T-shirt, a backpack and a backwards, black baseball cap. Another photo shows him swinging a hammer two-fisted. Another shows an angry-looking Cho holding a gun to his temple.

He refers to "martyrs like Eric and Dylan" — a reference to the teenage killers in the Columbine High massacre.

The package was sent by overnight delivery but did not arrive at NBC until Wednesday morning. It had apparently been delayed because it had the wrong ZIP code, NBC said.

An alert postal employee brought the package to NBC's attention after noticing the Blacksburg return address and a name similar to the words reportedly found scrawled in red ink on Cho's arm after the bloodbath, "Ismail Ax," NBC said.

NBC News President Steve Capus said that the network received the package around noon and notified the FBI. He said the FBI asked NBC to hold off reporting on it so that the bureau could look at it first, and NBC complied, finally breaking the story just before a police announcement of the package at 4:30 p.m.

Capus said it was clear Cho videotaped himself, because he could be seen leaning in to shut off the camera.

State Police Spokeswoman Corinne Geller cautioned that, while the package was mailed between the two shootings, police have not inspected the footage and have yet to establish exactly when the images were made."

[jason]

all i can say is dang, also since this incident, several individuals were "inspired" one kid in hs somehow managed to bring a baseball bat and a cinder block undetected into the school and several periods later flipped out on a teacher breaking the cinder block and cracking one of the walls, he was arrested

[undasighted]

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