4th Gen 3s Swap Opinion, Check it and tell me if you think its worth it. Options

[EvolutionOX]

So today I had a good friend of mine recommend this asian guy who speicalizes in japanese engines and trannys. I went there with my 94 Celica GT so he can take a look at it and I asked him for a 4th gen 3SGTE swap. He started the work estimate and then asked me if I wanted to convert it to 4WD well I said what the hell why not. So with EVERYTHING included complete motor(4th gen 3SGTE), ecu, harness, transmission, rear 4WD conversion, labor, additional parts, and performace tuning (300HP), the whole thing came out to $6,864.50. My question is........is it worth it?

This post has been edited by EvolutionOX: Nov 12, 2007 - 4:05 PM

[bccentaur3]

HECK YES. Just the motor swap can be around $3,500 completed. With the AWD and tune go for it man. Its better than trying to import a gt4 or going out and getting an evo or sti. Plus you're getting the 4th gen motor much newer DO IT. If you actually go through with it and the guy completes it with no Faulty let me know. Actually let US know. I am willing to drop my car where ever to get this thing done.

[x_itchy_b_x]

yes. and get it in writing. some people spend 5k just on a swap. never mind AWD!! i don't think the Asian guy knows what hes in for.

[bccentaur3]

yes. and get it in writing. some people spend 5k just on a swap. never mind AWD!! i don't think the Asian guy knows what hes in for.

LOL , maybe the guy's done stuff like this before.

[EvolutionOX]

yes. and get it in writing. some people spend 5k just on a swap. never mind AWD!! i don't think the Asian guy knows what hes in for.

Funny thing is I asked the same question I was like Dude are you sure you want to do a 4WD convert? He looks at me all serious and says come with me to the back, and he had like I swear 3 6th gen Celicas lifted in the air with all the 4WD conversion done, really clean too driveshaft axel everything I nearly busted in my pants lol. He apparently gets rear clips from japan I think ST205 ones and transfers all the **** with minor modifcation to the body. Some tack welding thats all I believe. I tell you I've NEVER seen anything like this. The guys son is some ECU guru I felt so stupid around him he comes out where I was standing by my car and says "you doing a 3SGTE right?" I was like ya He goes how much power you want 300, 400, 500hp? I'm like your ****ing kidding right? He goes No, not at all. You dont know what these Toyota engines can do. So I said 300 hp is fine I guess.

[bccentaur3]

OMG. I want to meet this guy. I wonder if any of the owners of any of the three celicas in the garage are on this site. So everything grand total of almost 7000. I'll definately take out a loan for this.

[EvolutionOX]

OMG. I want to meet this guy. I wonder if any of the owners of any of the three celicas in the garage are on this site. So everything grand total of almost 7000. I'll definately take out a loan for this.

Pretty much he said it might go to $7,000 if like small pieces are missing that need to be special ordered like miscellaneous parts. Well let me get the money I definatly go through with it now and I'll take pics a post them here and you guys can judge on how good its done.

[bccentaur3]

As long as the car runs and drives I'm game after you're done. Just make sure that when yu are going 60 + your car wont steer off the road. A guy on here had that issue, because he welded up the rear subframe off a little.

[EvolutionOX]

As long as the car runs and drives I'm game after you're done. Just make sure that when yu are going 60 + your car wont steer off the road. A guy on here had that issue, because he welded up the rear subframe off a little.

lol 60 mph dude when I get this done first thing I'm doing is taking it onto the I-10 interstate and getting my first speeding ticket . I'll at least go 100 mph to test it and I'll tell you how it went. (if I'm not dead)

[EvolutionOX]

And I just remembered he said something about he doesn't want to do a swap on a 96 or higher Celica because of emissions and stuff. because I live in arizona the screwballs lol have emissions testing here. But if you dont have emissions testing manditory where you live I guess you can ignore it then

This post has been edited by EvolutionOX: Nov 12, 2007 - 5:21 PM

[lagos]

post some pics of these 3 awd converted 6th gens.

[JoKeRkId613]

what he said^ if true, this might just be the coolest asian guy i've ever read about.

[Culpable04]

go back to his shop and ask him to let you take some pictures, I'm sure is all is that good he'll get a few customers from this forum.

[lubu]

Judging from the sound of it I think this asian guy is something, 3 6gc awd converted....awesomeness!! Im gonna deffinitely give it a shot if he lives in Australia...

[bccentaur3]

post some pics of these 3 awd converted 6th gens.

X2 on that. Pics would be great. I'm sure he'll let you given the fact that by doing this, it will bring in many customers to come. I'm lucky I have a 94 WOOT. Just waiting for you to get yours done and I'll be down there for sure.

[y2komar]

What is the name of the shop. I have to see it to beleive it.
I would go deliver my car personally.

PICS

[bccentaur3]

Same here. Who wouldn't?

[1bwilson]

I would think that with as large as this and the other celica communities are we would know about at least 1 of those celica's he has in there. Id love to see some pictures of this.

[bccentaur3]

Thats what I thought too, but no one's coming forward with this. Well I guess I'm going to have to hunt some people down. LOL. But it would be nice if one of those celica owners saw this thread and give us some info since the awd conversion has already been done to their cars.

[y2komar]

I think this thread smells

[devilsden97]

unless i miss read, the mechanic never said the engine or AWD parts were included in that 7k figure.

to my knowledge it sounds like 7k worth of labor, and u supply him with the bulk of the parts.

like 4 other people have stated, "seeing is believe". so ill say it again, PROVE IT. show us the 3 6gc's

[playr158]

unless i miss read, the mechanic never said the engine or AWD parts were included in that 7k figure.

to my knowledge it sounds like 7k worth of labor, and u supply him with the bulk of the parts.

like 4 other people have stated, "seeing is believe". so ill say it again, PROVE IT. show us the 3 6gc's

learn how to read....1st post

So with EVERYTHING included complete motor(4th gen 3SGTE), ecu, harness, transmission, rear 4WD conversion, labor, additional parts, and performace tuning (300HP), the whole thing came out to $6,864.50

[devilsden97]

unless i miss read, the mechanic never said the engine or AWD parts were included in that 7k figure.

to my knowledge it sounds like 7k worth of labor, and u supply him with the bulk of the parts.

like 4 other people have stated, "seeing is believe". so ill say it again, PROVE IT. show us the 3 6gc's

learn how to read....1st post

So with EVERYTHING included complete motor(4th gen 3SGTE), ecu, harness, transmission, rear 4WD conversion, labor, additional parts, and performace tuning (300HP), the whole thing came out to $6,864.50

learn not to be a dick. read the highlighted part.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Nov 14, 2007 - 3:16 PM

[bccentaur3]

I think this thread smells

Yeah it smells delicious

[lagos]

$6,864.50

i wonder what the $.50 is for.

[94celigts]

Wahts the deal? Any Updates??

[chacha]

post up shop info...if any internet or contact info...plz... post up...let us in on the shop...location....everything about it...ESPECIALLY Pictures.....

[bccentaur3]

Dude we've tried squeezing info out of him. He won't give any.

[JoKeRkId613]

$6,864.50

i wonder what the $.50 is for.

so the mechanic can buy himself a Snickers.

[EvolutionOX]

Well I dont mean to be an a** but he only has one GT Four rear clip at his place and I want it for my car lol. So I need a little more time to get the money and I'll post the pics for sure and his info where you can find him. I'm about to go back and ask him how much just a AWD convert will cost, cause theres like 2 or 3 more people after me who want it done. All I can say is his shop is in Phoenix, AZ 85040.

[EvolutionOX]

$6,864.50

i wonder what the $.50 is for.

Its part of the tax lol. Arizona is messed up.

[bccentaur3]

dude i googled that and the colsest shop with the zip you gave was some american racing shop.

[EvolutionOX]

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This post has been edited by EvolutionOX: Nov 16, 2007 - 3:11 AM

[chacha]

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is this it?..lol ill try to call...FYI, i respect your contribute to the site and for being a great teaser...but i do hope you get that conversion...it really don't matter to me if who really gets it...as long as i know it can be done...and it is closer for me than going to Dr. Tweak for the job....but can you do me a favor and ask how much for RIGHT-HAND CONVERSION??! BTW, are you the first owner of your celi? that is pretty low millage man...so early for a swap...im almost at the 200,000 mark...

This post has been edited by chacha: Nov 16, 2007 - 3:09 AM

[EvolutionOX]

Ya thats it Let me guess photoshop? And what do you want me to ask him for you exactly?

[chacha]

hahaha...hey bro...don't feel bad if i found out about the shop...don't mean it in a bad way...well at least don't take it in the bad way...but if you don't mind...since the import is going to be a front end clip and rear stuff for awd conversion...can you ask how much it will cost to do the firewall exchange from left hand drive to right hand drive conversion? the price difference in swap and for switching left to right hand drive...much appreciated for your help as a member and your time. if it makes any difference...i deleted it...and if i were you i would delete the posted pic too...oh btw...im a student and still saving so...no worries from me...ill let you post the info once you're done with ur conversion.

This post has been edited by chacha: Nov 16, 2007 - 3:10 AM

[EvolutionOX]

hahaha...hey bro...don't feel bad if i found out about the shop...don't mean it in a bad way...well at least don't take it in the bad way...but if you don't mind...since the import is going to be a front end clip and rear stuff for awd conversion...can you ask how much it will cost to do the firewall exchange from left hand drive to right hand drive conversion? the price difference in swap and for switching left to right hand drive...much appreciated for your help as a member and your time.

Alright I can ask them but that sounds damn pricey! you really want a right hand drive celica?

[chacha]

SH*T, why not...you're hitting the 7G mark already...

[EvolutionOX]

SH*T, why not...you're hitting the 7G mark already...

Well I guess your right sh*t I'd do it but I really dont feel like learning how to drive all over again One of the guys there have a right hand drive car dont remember what it was though but he said he was so used to driving on the left that when he drove right hand car he kept sticking his hand out the window trying to shift gears lol. I havent laughed that hard in a long time

Better yet I'll get you a work estimate like mine and I'll scan it for you I'm heading down there tomorrow morning anyways cuz I'm looking for a GOOD painter for my car. Any suggestions who I should go with? Please dont say Macco lol

This post has been edited by EvolutionOX: Nov 16, 2007 - 3:27 AM

[chacha]

all i know is...you're probably looking at a good 2-3k or more for a real pro looking paint job...and worse thing is, every auto painter will result differently and charge you differently...some are just poor painters that charges you a lot for crappy work because they didn't spend their time on it rightly, and there are those that charge you cheapy but does a really swell job because it's what they do best to get the customer coming back (if you're lucky you find these people), and those that charge a lot for their pro work (if they do a pro work on your car)...it varies...some have it well, others don't when it comes down to painting your car...so i really can't say... i have had my troubles there too trying to find a good decent painter...lol sorry man, btw, left hand drive, right hand? no real differ...you'll get use to it...

This post has been edited by chacha: Nov 16, 2007 - 3:25 AM

[goferris]

i'm also interested to find out how much for a RHD conversion. i'm in utah so not too far. i won't be able to get it done for quite some time but still want to see what options i have. i would also like to test drive one of these AWD conversions. it's the closest i will ever get to a real gt4 LOL

[jcbass7]

i don't see how showing us pictures of the "3 AWD 6th gens" will give away this guys shop.. it seems selfish that you are hiding this resource from us (if its legit) just because you are waiting to save up money to have him work on your car.

Don't get me wrong, but i just don't see the big picture of hiding all of this information from the community. If this guy is legit, it may have just opened the next big door for this website. I know many members here that would drive there themselves to have a proper, tried and true AWD swap performed on their celi's. And if this guy has a demand from the community he will surely import more parts to make this happen for others as well.

This post has been edited by jcbass7: Nov 16, 2007 - 10:35 AM

[y2komar]

i don't see how showing us pictures of the "3 AWD 6th gens" will give away this guys shop.. it seems selfish that you are hiding this resource from us (if its legit) just because you are waiting to save up money to have him work on your car.

Don't get me wrong, but i just don't see the big picture of hiding all of this information from the community. If this guy is legit, it may have just opened the next big door for this website. I know many members here that would drive there themselves to have a proper, tried and true AWD swap performed on their celi's. And if this guy has a demand from the community he will surely import more parts to make this happen for others as well.

This kid is fooking with us. I think its boulll skip that he is holding information from this celica community. Why even post a thread and not answer questions.

How would EvolutionOX feel if every thread he post on this community never gets answered?

[x_itchy_b_x]

Pics or it didnt happen.

[Batman722]

Pics or it didnt happen.

agreed. I'm raising the BS flag on that one.

[chacha]

i think you guys are being a little too harsh for the guy...he just ask for our opinion on the job and wanted to see if it was legit...he also gave us a scenario of what happened to him during the visit to the shop...Im pretty sure he will get back to us with pics and info of the shop, but first...he found the shop and wants to get his celi done first....i don't blame the guy and i don't blame anyone on here throwing a fit...i was like that too, but if you were in the guy's shoe...you probably wouldn't say much until you got your celica done and then post it here for us members....which is probably the guys' mistake in the first place...cheers

[1bwilson]

To get a opinion from the members on this site you need to provide good information. People in the celica community have seen scam artists so many times that we have a developed a very thick skin to claims like this. Asking for pictures not only helps us find the "next big thing" but also helps us provide our best opinion of the price and craftsmenship of the shop it self. Most people flying the BS flag in this thread dont even care about the shop name or where its located. They just want to see picture proof of a AWD work in progress.

If your going to hold pictures/information your going to be on your own when it comes time to decide if this shops claims are bogus or not. For your sake I hope you dont get scamed.

[chacha]

that is exactly what i mean...i hope he don't get scam and also the fact that he will be our experimental error if all goes bad, "knowck on wood"

[y2komar]

This post has been edited by y2komar: Nov 16, 2007 - 4:49 PM

[EvolutionOX]

Well I never said this would be the next big thing all I wanted to know is the quote they gave me a reasonable price. I could not care less if you dont believe me then ignore this thread no one is making you post here anyway. The shop DOES import rear clips and parts from japan of course but do you think I really want to pay more for the shipping when he has one laying around his shop that I could use in stead of ordering one, waiting, and paying more? Now chacha asked me to get him a quote and I will personally I will go back there and also take pics *if he doesnt mind* but the shop isnt what you call "close" to me its out of my way.

This post has been edited by EvolutionOX: Nov 19, 2007 - 2:36 PM

[1bwilson]

Well I never said this would be the next big thing all I wanted to know is the quote they gave me a reasonable price. I could not care less if you dont believe me then ignore this thread no one is making you post here anyway.

Easy tiger, I never said YOU claimed it to be the next big thing. I used the ""
's because I was QUOTING the words of someone else. I also never said I didnt believe you, infact, Id LOVE for this shop to be the real deal. I was just pointing out the reasoning behind why alot of these members (if you look the members using the BS flag have been around a long while) are very questionable about yours/shops claim.

Again, to sum it up, GG on finding the shop. I hope its all its cracked up to be. This may be the future of the 6gc family.

[chacha]

lol...i think everyone has gotten on the wrong foot...plz, no killing here or bad vibe created...just encourage the fellow...i hope everything works out great, if you can get any info from the shop of the progression they go through and what products they use for swapping...that would be great...this is a new start to getting the closest thing to a REAL GT-FOUR...good for you and good for the whole community here...good luck and if possible...pics would be really cool too...get it done asap

This post has been edited by chacha: Nov 16, 2007 - 6:35 PM

[phattyduck]

If the shop has a really good guy in Japan, I can see this as a real possibility. The floor pan just needs to come with the clip (separated from the front. It would cost about the same as a normal front clip (you still have to buy a good running car no matter what!), and the fabrication costs on the back-end are much less.

I personally think the price is a very good for what he would be getting if the quality of the work is there.

I also agree with the 'old skool' guys - I'd like to see a few pics!

-Charlie

[95st-celica]

bump for pics....i wanna know if its legit as well...i hope i get a picture of you in it with a big @ss cheeser and 3 swaped celi's converted to awd behind you...that would make me cheese for sure

[illneversellmyce...]

come on three pages of nothing err

[GriffGirl]

yeah... what ever happened with this, anyway? If I had the money for this swap, I would have my car SHIPPED to AZ and take the damn bus to work every day while it was gone! A basically 6th gen All-Trac would be the car of my dreams!

[bccentaur3]

I'm pretty sure its everyones dream to own an All-Trac 6th gen. Well atleast for us Americans. I would honestly pic a 17 year old Gt-Four over a 3 year old Evo any day.

[x_itchy_b_x]

Pics or it didnt happen.

[easternpiro1]

To get a opinion from the members on this site you need to provide good information. People in the celica community have seen scam artists so many times that we have a developed a very thick skin to claims like this. Asking for pictures not only helps us find the "next big thing" but also helps us provide our best opinion of the price and craftsmenship of the shop it self. Most people flying the BS flag in this thread dont even care about the shop name or where its located. They just want to see picture proof of a AWD work in progress.

If your going to hold pictures/information your going to be on your own when it comes time to decide if this shops claims are bogus or not. For your sake I hope you dont get scamed.

AMEN TO THAT^ X2... we dont want you getting scammed bro. like you said you saw 3 6th gens IN THE AIR with the conversion done to them i am BY FAR NO HATER but my BS flag is at half mast

where is pressure, lagos and dr tweak? wonder what they think about this....

nonetheless GREAT opportunity, we need to know where so maybe the doc could "drop by" on his north american tour lol

[supershannon77]

yup so November was when this was all last talked about....Are you still waiting for money or was it all bs?

[lagos]

where is pressure, lagos and dr tweak? wonder what they think about this....

I think there are a lot of 16yr olds with wild imaginations on the internet.


This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 26, 2008 - 8:57 PM

[presure2]

i think this thread should sink to the neverworld like 99.9% of these threads do.

[supra12big]

100% right with u

[easternpiro1]

where is pressure, lagos and dr tweak? wonder what they think about this....

I think there are a lot of 16yr olds with wild imaginations on the internet.

i think this thread should sink to the neverworld like 99.9% of these threads do.



CLASSIC response man... thread wouldnt be the same without it i love it lol

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jan 27, 2008 - 9:33 PM