Camber Kit, Crash bolts. Options

[njccmd2002]

I got new tires today, and went to the dealer to get alignment. They todl me they would not do it because just by looking at the tires they said i needed camber kits.

Judging by the looks of the wheel, you can tell it has a little neg effect; and looking at the old tire, only the rears show different wear.

Im running teins, KYB. I know each car is different. Ive read about crash bolts, what are those and where to find them.

I found these kits are they good.


http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspens...nded+Align.+Kit

any suggestions welcomed.

[Culpable04]

didn't they tell you that they sell those bolts for ~ US$6.00 a peice ? what kind of stealer did you go to,

BTW I have those same bolts on the link, but honestly you can get the same bolts from the dealer, the part number is somewhere around here.

[playr158]

a) why did you go to a dealer

b) on that setup you should be able to get an alignment perfectly fine.

[njccmd2002]

i always align there, dont trust anyone else in macon.

The dealer said they dont have the bolts for my car, unless they dont know what it is. they offered at first, said they had them but then declined, and told me they were wrong.

And honest to good just by eyeballing, you can tell there is negative camber. take a look at the pic, the orange thing is a level bar in pic 2. You can tell the difference.





Now if i get the kit, i dont seem ti find why some are +/- 1.oo degree and why others state +/- 1.75, they are the same brand.

I would like to have the ones from toyota, but i dont have part numbers... Are they any different. Oh and i dont really dont want to undo my teins. Yes I desperately need spacers..

from tirerack

Front or Rear Fitment
Note: Camber adjustment +/-1.0
Front or Rear Fitment
Manufacturer Part #: 5.81270K

from importrp

Part number 5.81270K\8
10/1989-1999 TOYOTA, Celica, GT/ST, Incl. Turbo, Coupe, Cnvrtbl & Lftbk, Exc. All-Trac ST18/ST20 Chassis
Rear +/- 1.75 degrees of adjustment.

10/1989-1999 TOYOTA, Celica, GT/ST, Incl. Turbo, Coupe, Cnvrtbl & Lftbk, Exc. All-Trac ST18/ST20 Chassis
Front +/- 1.75 degrees of adjustment.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Aug 9, 2011 - 12:05 PM

[njccmd2002]

i will be buying today.

is it 2 pairs, 1 for front and 1 for back, right? each wheel gets one?

[playr158]

FYI (some) negative camber is ok and doesn't always effect tire wear. Toe will eat a tire to bits rather fast though.

My car ran ~1*+ or so of negative camber....handling FTW (negative camber increases cornering abilities, too much will decrease braking)

This post has been edited by playr158: Apr 29, 2008 - 11:21 AM

[Culpable04]

i will be buying today.

is it 2 pairs, 1 for front and 1 for back, right? each wheel gets one?

only front ( 1 pair )

[njccmd2002]

only the front? But the back looks more messed up. Nobody wants to align without camber kits....

[Jared95]

so i went to a guy and for $55 he put my camber bolts in and aligned the only deal was that it was so out of alignment from my wreck they couldn't get it to stop pulling.??

what's the next step because i know my frame had no damage.

sorry to jack your thread....

This post has been edited by Jared95: Apr 29, 2008 - 5:15 PM

[Culpable04]

only the front? But the back looks more messed up. Nobody wants to align without camber kits....

the back can be adjusted, camber bolts are only needed on the front

[alltracman78]

Front and rear are both adjustable to a point without adding parts. Exactly how far depends on the car.
Whether it needs them depends how far you're out.
You might only need them on one wheel.

FYI (some) negative camber is ok and doesn't always effect tire wear. Toe will eat a tire to bits rather fast though.

My car ran ~1*+ or so of negative camber....handling FTW (negative camber increases cornering abilities, too much will decrease braking)

Stock specs are roughly 1* neg anyways.

so i went to a guy and for $55 he put my camber bolts in and aligned the only deal was that it was so out of alignment from my wreck they couldn't get it to stop pulling.??

what's the next step because i know my frame had no damage.

sorry to jack your thread....

Could be caster or camber, I can't tell you without looking at the car, though a pic of the specs the car is at now would help.

[njccmd2002]

Front and rear are both adjustable to a point without adding parts. Exactly how far depends on the car.
Whether it needs them depends how far you're out.
You might only need them on one wheel.

thats where the problem lies, the dealer wont align at all.

[playr158]

go somewhere else

[whatthe]

only the front? But the back looks more messed up. Nobody wants to align without camber kits....

the back can be adjusted, camber bolts are only needed on the front

This statement is wrong. Front camber can be adjusted, rears can not. And need camber bolts.

[chacha]

i need help on this too...my back is really messed up after putting up the ksport coilovers...what is the recommended for the fronts camber and the rear?


njccmd2002, if you have these in, please take a pic and please please show where it goes and how to install.

This post has been edited by chacha: Mar 25, 2010 - 2:45 AM

[808celica]

When i did my alignment they got me at -0.9 on the front and -1.2 on the back, thats in the green zone they have set on the computer. Thats with a Tein Spring drop (1.5" FR 1" RR). Now Im about 3.5" down on all 4 and I've set my camber to lets say -0.75 FR and -0.5 RR with hardly any tire wear, so let's say I hit the jackpot on good camber

[njccmd2002]

best ive got



This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Aug 9, 2011 - 12:05 PM

[njccmd2002]

for those who have asked me..

these are the camber bolts, and are easy to install....



with them in the box..




out of the box...




basically remove the upper one with a bar..



then try to guess where you want it placed...

i made some marks as to remove most camber possible i just guessed...



once i placed the bolt then it was just a matter of aligning the marks...



then i had





of course, this was eyeballed...

then i had it aligned...

[jordisonjr]

I have the same set up without camber bolts and they alligned it no problem.
I don't understand how these can adjust camber lol

[808celica]

I have the same set up without camber bolts and they alligned it no problem.
I don't understand how these can adjust camber lol

the only way to understand is to buy some and put them on
seriously though, once you put them on and spin them in either direction you'll see how it works

[celica-s]

been using same camber bolt design for sometime now but with another brand. it works.

the bolt is actually a cam. when you twist it you'll get the low and the high profile. that's your camber adjustment range.

[CheesyLobster]

I have been having the same problem with my tien-s springs. I don't know why some people have alignment problems and others do not, but I fall into the former category. Every alignment place I've taken my car to has told me that I need new camber bolts.

OP, can you link the site that you got those ones from? They look like they work perfectly!

Thanks.

Edit: Is this it? http://performance.importrp.com/spc_perfor...xr/g-62332.aspx

How many did you have to buy?

Edit: Also, hey everyone, what's up???

This post has been edited by CheesyLobster: Oct 9, 2011 - 3:53 PM

[jordisonjr]

^ When I put my s techs on, they said my camber was at the very most allowable negative camber that would, i guess you could say, pass the allignment.
So I didn't need camber bolts.

[qatar11]

I have Ingalls Engineering Camber Kits... Ingalls Engineering A single bolt in each corner should allow for +/- 2 Degrees. I have two bolts in each corner...which should allow for approx +/- 4 Degrees. This is sorta the cheater method for adjusting the camber.

The "Proper" way to do it is to have camber plates at the suspension mounts... Like Thus:

[njccmd2002]

OP, can you link the site that you got those ones from? They look like they work perfectly!

Thanks.

Edit: Is this it? http://performance.importrp.com/spc_perfor...xr/g-62332.aspx

same ones, i got 4.

[k-weaver]

I thought the front/rear was adjustable on our cars? When I lowered my car (KYB/Tein) I took it to a shop the same day and had all 4 adjusted and brought back into spec, no kit required.

[stephen_lee]

the lovwer you go the harder it is to get back within spec.

also watch out!!! alignment places will want to give your car a "safe" camber(0 to positive) instead of -1.5 to -0.5 Toyota specs.

[chacha]

steph...should we ask them to keep it at -1.5 to -0.5? is this for both the front and rear?

[njccmd2002]

funny i had to work these bolts today!!!

[stephen_lee]

WHEEL ALIGNMENT SPECIFICATIONS TABLE
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Application Preferred Range
1.8L
Camber (1)
Front ....................... -0.85 ....... -1.6 To-0.1
Rear ........................ -1.27 ..... -2.02 To 0.52
Caster (1) ................... 2.12 ....... 1.37 To 2.87
Steering Axis
Inclination (1) ............. 15.1 .....................
Toe-In (2)
Front ....................... 0 (0) ..... -0.08 To 0.08
(-2 To 2)
Rear .................... 0.14 (3.5) ..... 0.06 To 0.22
(1.5 To 5.5)
Toe-In (1)
Front ......................... 0 ......... -0.2 To 0.2
Rear ........................ 0.35 ....... 0.15 To 0.55
Toe-Out On Turns (1)
Inner ....................... 36.73 ....................
Outer ....................... 30.63 ....................
2.2L
Camber (1)
Front ....................... -0.77 ..... -1.52 To-0.02
Rear ........................ -1.17 ..... -1.92 To 0.42
Caster (1) ................... 2.08 ....... 1.33 To 2.83
Steering Axis
Inclination (1) ............. 14.97 ....................
Toe-In (2)
Front ....................... 0 (0) ..... -0.08 To 0.08
(-2 To 2)
Rear ...................... 0.14 (3.5) ... 0.06 To 0.22
(1.5 To 5.5)
Toe-In (1)
Front ......................... 0 ......... -0.2 To 0.2
Rear ........................ 0.35 ....... 0.15 To 0.55
Toe-Out On Turns (1)
Inner ....................... 36.9 .....................
Outer ....................... 30.73 ....................
(1) - Measurement in degrees.
(2) - Measurement in inches (mm).
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