ST204 3SGTE VS ST205 Options

[reko]

On a quarter mile at race track X

A ST204 swapped with a 3SGTE 3rd gen + LSD tranny from MR2 (lighter but FWD with LSD)

VS

A ST205 with a 3SGTE 3rd gen (heavier but AWD)

who would normally win? and dont tell me ''well it depends on the driver and blablablablabla''.

I'm talking about perfect conditions, who would smoke who?

[99GT]

ST205 owns due to traction.

[808celica]

yeah i dont even have to think. unless its a bone stock 205 and like a 800hp swapped 205 gets off the line really really fast......swapped just catches up later.....if and only if........he can launch without spinning and the line for too long....but then again im just dreaming

[ETNRIDER]

ST205 owns due to traction.

X2

Traction is more important that a lot of people think.

This post has been edited by ETNRIDER: May 29, 2008 - 12:34 PM

[lagos]

St205 would be faster in the 1/4 because of awd.
St204 would be faster on the street "from a roll" because of less drive train loss.

[ETNRIDER]

St205 would be faster in the 1/4 because of awd.
St204 would be faster on the street "from a roll" because of less drive train loss.

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that, but I don't really know that much about all the details!!

[Batman722]

I disagree.

Jeff with a 185 in his ran a 13.9 at the track
I have seen posts with st205s overseas that run 14s

a swapped to st205 FWD will beat an AWD st205 any day of the week on the 1/4 mile.

edit:post to back me up http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30188

This post has been edited by Batman722: May 29, 2008 - 1:57 PM

[x_itchy_b_x]

I disagree.

Jeff with a 185 in his ran a 13.9 at the track
I have seen posts with st205s overseas that run 14s

a swapped to st205 FWD will beat an AWD st205 any day of the week on the 1/4 mile.

edit:post to back me up http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30188

agreed. weight is a factor. the awd will have you for... like the first 60 feet then youll slowly creep by.

[ETNRIDER]

Anyone got any vids of a race like this? I doubt it but you never know.

I see Batman722 link now.

This post has been edited by ETNRIDER: May 29, 2008 - 2:12 PM

[Defgeph]

BPU swapped FWD would win against a BPU ST205. Weight and drive train loss would be the two major factors in this race.

But this is only at the BPU stage. Once you go past 275-300HP, 205 takes the cake.

[lagos]

I disagree.

Jeff with a 185 in his ran a 13.9 at the track
I have seen posts with st205s overseas that run 14s

a swapped to st205 FWD will beat an AWD st205 any day of the week on the 1/4 mile.

edit:post to back me up http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30188

I guess its open to debate. imho AWD generally should run a better time because of the insanely low 60foot times it can achieve vs a fwd car. Thats why you often see stock subarus get impressive times 1/4mile times, yet loose to slower fwd cars on the street. Traction rules the 1/4mile.

[D-Man]

but it's still heavier. The AWD gets better traction, true, but the FWD has less weight.

I say we get the 2 on the track and watch

[lagos]

but it's still heavier. The AWD gets better traction, true, but the FWD has less weight.

I say we get the 2 on the track and watch

I guess in the celica world, this might hold true. I mean, look at the piss slow st185. Then again, I dont think most celica guys are good track drivers.

[ETNRIDER]

but it's still heavier. The AWD gets better traction, true, but the FWD has less weight.

I say we get the 2 on the track and watch

I would love to see that!!!!

[95celgt]

The 6th gen celica acually launches like a bat outta hell for a FWD.....when i took it to the track it would always leave other FWD's behind at the 60foot...
I even have video proof against the SS S/C Integras would fall behind and even some GT mustangs...I miss my 3S

[delusionz]

what the real question is ... is 400 metres really enough to catch a gt-four? a car length behind is more than nothing when you're 2000 rpm behind and struggling to gain traction

[j0e_p3t]

both stock and the fwd with lsd under "perfect" conditions... i think it'd be pretty damn close. but once you start adding more power, awd would definitely own.

[3SGTE]

Im already loading my gt4 st205 awd on a carrier and ill be over to the USA to settle this once and for all.... who's up for the challenge????? First though i gotta do the shopping and tidy the house!!!

[Insanity-74]

I disagree.

Jeff with a 185 in his ran a 13.9 at the track
I have seen posts with st205s overseas that run 14s

a swapped to st205 FWD will beat an AWD st205 any day of the week on the 1/4 mile.

edit:post to back me up http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30188

As much as it hurts to say this, I would have to agree up to a point....both running stock or near stock power then the FWD swap would win...weight means an awfull lot when it comes to quater mile drags....but once you get past say 300/350BHP then the AWD would be able to put the power down better so would be the winner.

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

stock for stock, or mod for mod 205 will win.
im not just biased, traction owns all.
as proof ive beaten 300kw rx7s at the drags because simply of launch.
and an rx7 gets more grip then any street fwd.

ive also beaten other carsa such as skylines and commodore utes and such. So its no fluke.
track has heaps more grip then street.
that is all.