Supreme Court Finally Stands Up For Gun Owners Options

[alltracman78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_..._co/scotus_guns

Nice to see

[supershannon77]

Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..it really does.

[Legit94GT]

Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..it really does.

Let me guess... you think guns kill people?


I am just glad that the supreme court finally said something about our rights to bear arms.



An armed society is a polite society

[Jeunesse]

Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..it really does.

Let me guess... you think guns kill people?


I am just glad that the supreme court finally said something about our rights to bear arms.



An armed society is a polite society

Can you prove that? Do you have statistical facts that can support your claim?

[FreddyTheOthaMea...]

im pretty sure that our forefathers ment something along these lines

[x_itchy_b_x]

a gun less society is defenseless against foreign AND domestic threats....

[Jeunesse]

yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peaceful and polite society.

[alltracman78]

Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..it really does.

Let me guess... you think guns kill people?


I am just glad that the supreme court finally said something about our rights to bear arms.



An armed society is a polite society

Naw, she's just giving me a hard time.

[DEATH]

Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..it really does.

Let me guess... you think guns kill people?


I am just glad that the supreme court finally said something about our rights to bear arms.



An armed society is a polite society

Can you prove that? Do you have statistical facts that can support your claim?

yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peaceful and polite society.

it's a USA thing - don't get involved. If you think guns are a problem - then abolish them in your country but leave us to our own views.
I also am glad the SC is standing up for what is our right.
Interesting how many Celica owners are armed The entire Houston crew I think.

[Legit94GT]

it's a USA thing - don't get involved. If you think guns are a problem - then abolish them in your country but leave us to our own views.
I also am glad the SC is standing up for what is our right.
Interesting how many Celica owners are armed The entire Houston crew I think.

Well duh you guys are in texas! lol

I dont need to statistics to prove anything... If you were a crook and you were going to break into some ones house would you break into the house where you knew there wasnt a gun, or the one where you knew they had guns? People rarely have "fire fights" people get murdered because someone brought a knife to a gun fight... but who wont want to have a fire fight, where their chance of living dropped a staggering amount because thier foe had a gun?i hope i explained that ell enough, but i dont think i did ugh... any other republicans want to add to that thought train?

Alot of countries have really really strict gun laws, take ireland, you have to apply for a permit to own a gun, once you get the permit then you can try and buy one, if you can show that you have a reason to own it(and personal protection isnt good enough) then if you actually get one the police can come into your house at anytime and search for it to make sure you still own it and havent sold it illegally... But guess what? people still get murdered over there, they just use other weapons or tools, like a knife or a bomb

With that said i think that the US could make some laws more effecient, and make some new ones to make sure that the wrong people cant get the guns...

just my .02

[Jeunesse]

polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn't it? you're right though... not my business and I should not be getting involved. All I'm asking is for you guys to prove to me that what you're saying is right. We are entitled to question one's views and opinions in this forum, aren't we?

[Legit94GT]

polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn't it? you're right though... not my business and I should not be getting involved. All I'm asking is for you guys to prove to me that what you're saying is right. We are entitled to question one's views and opinions in this forum, aren't we?

Yes you are more than welcome to question me, my views, our government, everything, i readily encourage you to question everything around you actually:) its how you learn and how things can change for the better:)

Sorry i dont have the exact stats you are looking for, but that will be kinda hard to seeing as how theirs isnt a society that requires you to carry a gun:) but if there was... they would have stats im sure:)

Front Sight, is going that direction... right now it is a firearms traing facility, that is undergoing major steps to have a society much like what i talked about...

If you like stats you shuold try reading the book called Freakanomics... it will blow your mind:)

[Jeunesse]

polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn't it? you're right though... not my business and I should not be getting involved. All I'm asking is for you guys to prove to me that what you're saying is right. We are entitled to question one's views and opinions in this forum, aren't we?

Yes you are more than welcome to question me, my views, our government, everything, i readily encourage you to question everything around you actually:) its how you learn and how things can change for the better:)

Sorry i dont have the exact stats you are looking for, but that will be kinda hard to seeing as how theirs isnt a society that requires you to carry a gun:) but if there was... they would have stats im sure:)

Front Sight, is going that direction... right now it is a firearms traing facility, that is undergoing major steps to have a society much like what i talked about...

If you like stats you shuold try reading the book called Freakanomics... it will blow your mind:)

You don't need a society that requires you to carry a gun to get the proof or stats that I'm asking.. tell me how high is the percentage of gun related crimes in the US than any other 1st world countries in the world? That should suffice it. Talking about breaking houses, do you think that these burglars and thugs don't carry guns as well? And why would you be in a gun fight when there's no need for it?

[alltracman78]

How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Got any statistics on that?

Take a look at Florida. 3 years ago it enacted the "castle" law. All the gun control folks screamed about the wild west, gunfights and all the innocent people that were going to get shot.
Never happened.

Washington DC had a ban on handguns for over 30 years [is what sparked this ruling], yet it's CONSISTENTLY been one of the most dangerous cities in the US.

And precisely because those "burglars and thugs" carry guns is why we should [and are] allowed to carry our own, as a deterrent. That's the whole point, which you obviously didn't get. Most criminals pry on the weak. Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field.
Someone that attempts to commit a crime with a gun is reasonably assumed to have the intent to use it, why shouldn't the victim have the right and ability to fight back if they desire?

Since you're so into statistics, got any on how gun related crime has risen or dropped in areas with gun owner friendly laws? We can start with Florida, I haven't seen anti gun advocates crowing about the sharp rise in deaths they predicted....

I wish we had the ability to stick all the people that complain about gun ownership and the death penalty on an island with all the criminals. We can even give the "good" people guns [if they want them].
It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out.
Either they would
Come to their senses and take care of the problem [possible]
Try to placate all the bad guys, because we need to be understanding to those who commit crimes, and end up dead [more possible]
Convince all the bad guys their way of life is wrong through peace and kindness [highly unlikely]

I have absolutely no problem with gun regulations, I don't believe for a minute that anyone should be able to go and get any gun they want anywhere.
I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one.

[DEATH]

Jeunesse:
Because this entire world is completely fcuked up and I'm not gonna be sitting there begging someone to stop when they are raping, torturing or killing my girl, my children or myself. I'm going to be blowing nicely grouped holes in his chest.
Yes the criminals are armed - that's exactly why we should be allowed to be as well. You think a few well meaning gun laws are gonna convince criminals to lay down their arms? No. They're fcuking criminals. By definition they are more than likely going to break that law too. And guess what? Now you've given them the advantage.
Why not call the cops? Because I've been at the scene of a shooting before which involved multiple gunmen and teenage victims [surprisingly innocent for once] where I actually witnessed the police being called and how long would you guess their response time was? 1hour 15mins. How far away was the police station they came from? 10mins. That's long enough for the shooters to kill every single person that was there at the time and get clean away to the other side of town before the cops even got there.
My sister almost died that night - I won't be powerless to protect my family again.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jun 27, 2008 - 1:51 PM

[Jeunesse]

How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Got any statistics on that?

Take a look at Florida. 3 years ago it enacted the "castle" law. All the gun control folks screamed about the wild west, gunfights and all the innocent people that were going to get shot.
Never happened.

Washington DC had a ban on handguns for over 30 years [is what sparked this ruling], yet it's CONSISTENTLY been one of the most dangerous cities in the US.

And precisely because those "burglars and thugs" carry guns is why we should [and are] allowed to carry our own, as a deterrent. That's the whole point, which you obviously didn't get. Most criminals pry on the weak. Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field.
Someone that attempts to commit a crime with a gun is reasonably assumed to have the intent to use it, why shouldn't the victim have the right and ability to fight back if they desire?

Since you're so into statistics, got any on how gun related crime has risen or dropped in areas with gun owner friendly laws? We can start with Florida, I haven't seen anti gun advocates crowing about the sharp rise in deaths they predicted....

I wish we had the ability to stick all the people that complain about gun ownership and the death penalty on an island with all the criminals. We can even give the "good" people guns [if they want them].
It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out.
Either they would
Come to their senses and take care of the problem [possible]
Try to placate all the bad guys, because we need to be understanding to those who commit crimes, and end up dead [more possible]
Convince all the bad guys their way of life is wrong through peace and kindness [highly unlikely]

I have absolutely no problem with gun regulations, I don't believe for a minute that anyone should be able to go and get any gun they want anywhere.
I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one.

ok here you go... http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet...ics.htm#america

"Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field. " or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars.

"It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out." Totally agree with you on this one.

"I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one." Im not saying you can't own a gun just cause some are too irresponsible and don't know how, when and where to use it but it's like you're saying I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't drink and drive (though I'm so responsible and 100% guaranteed will not be involved in am accident) because someone else is too dangerous to drink and drive.

Violent crimes don't get solved or prevented using violent weapons. A wrong thing cannot be corrected by another wrong doing.

[DEATH]

or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars.

You think a few well meaning gun laws are gonna convince criminals to lay down their arms? No. They're fcuking criminals. By definition they are more than likely going to break that law too. And guess what? Now you've given them the advantage.

How do anti-gun people come upon this thought process - it makes absolutely no sense. They are criminals - they don't give a sh*t about you're anti-gun laws.
You can have your gun-free society - I want no part of it. Read my story from above - it's 100% true and verifiable fact. Now put yourself in my place - if you have the ability to think objectively I think you'll see my point.
Peace man - this is why you live in Canada and we live in the US. Take it easy.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jun 27, 2008 - 2:16 PM

[jcaron9gt4]

How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Got any statistics on that?

Take a look at Florida. 3 years ago it enacted the "castle" law. All the gun control folks screamed about the wild west, gunfights and all the innocent people that were going to get shot.
Never happened.

Washington DC had a ban on handguns for over 30 years [is what sparked this ruling], yet it's CONSISTENTLY been one of the most dangerous cities in the US.

And precisely because those "burglars and thugs" carry guns is why we should [and are] allowed to carry our own, as a deterrent. That's the whole point, which you obviously didn't get. Most criminals pry on the weak. Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field.
Someone that attempts to commit a crime with a gun is reasonably assumed to have the intent to use it, why shouldn't the victim have the right and ability to fight back if they desire?

Since you're so into statistics, got any on how gun related crime has risen or dropped in areas with gun owner friendly laws? We can start with Florida, I haven't seen anti gun advocates crowing about the sharp rise in deaths they predicted....

I wish we had the ability to stick all the people that complain about gun ownership and the death penalty on an island with all the criminals. We can even give the "good" people guns [if they want them].
It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out.
Either they would
Come to their senses and take care of the problem [possible]
Try to placate all the bad guys, because we need to be understanding to those who commit crimes, and end up dead [more possible]
Convince all the bad guys their way of life is wrong through peace and kindness [highly unlikely]

I have absolutely no problem with gun regulations, I don't believe for a minute that anyone should be able to go and get any gun they want anywhere.
I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one.

ok here you go... http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet...ics.htm#america

"Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field. " or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars.

"It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out." Totally agree with you on this one.

"I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one." Im not saying you can't own a gun just cause some are too irresponsible and don't know how, when and where to use it but it's like you're saying I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't drink and drive (though I'm so responsible and 100% guaranteed will not be involved in am accident) because someone else is too dangerous to drink and drive.

Violent crimes don't get solved or prevented using violent weapons. A wrong thing cannot be corrected by another wrong doing.

Mostly ALL the guns that criminals and burglars carry are illegal so this would do nothing. I'm sorry, but i would rather be able to protect myself and have an even chance agaisnt someone breaking into my house. Laws or no laws, criminals will continue to have guns and attempt to use them, why should the qualified person not be able to defend themselves if a situation comes up?

[FreddyTheOthaMea...]

geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invented...

[Jeunesse]

geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invented...

whack each others head with a wooden club and drag women on their hair. lol

Death: What do you think would be the best solution for all the gun related violence in your country? I'm asking coz gun related violence here in Canada is rising due to the fact that the guns used in crimes here mostly came from the US. If you're country could come up with a better solution then Canada would be affected.

Edit: going home now from work.. won't be able to come up with a reply until tomorrow morning when I get back to work.

This post has been edited by Jeunesse: Jun 27, 2008 - 2:29 PM