how to start, where to start Options

[babi_boi]

i am not completly new to imports but i am new to celicas. right now my car is stock exept for a cold air intake. on other cars the first thing i did was upgrade the distributor, plugs, wires, injectors.etc so my question is what do i do first, where do i start

This post has been edited by babi_boi: Feb 10, 2009 - 10:10 PM

[bccentaur3]

What upgrade dizzy and injectors? What size injectors are you running? Are you just running rich with nothing to control the added fuel with?

What kind of power goals are you looking to reach?
What year celica do you have? Since you acquired a some what older car, I would look into doing maintenance before upgrading anything.

[babi_boi]

right now all is stock exept intake, car is running good but it cant compete in the 1/4 mile. so the power goal is just to b able to run in the 1/4 and actually have a 1/2 way decent time.(somewhere around 10-12 sec in a 1/4 when the car is done)
it is a 94 and the maintenance seems to b ok but the sparkplug wires are tiny so when i do the tune up i dont really want to put the same tiny stock wires on, do i?
and if i get bigger wires how big can i go with out going to big, then with bigger wires am i going to have to get a better distributor or injectors?

[bccentaur3]

This aint a Honda buddy. Use ONLY toyota wires. They are proven to handle power. I've had some issues where when I boosted my 5s the ignition would cut on me. Stick with Toyota wires. Plugs go with ngk. If you are looking for power, I say boost it or swap a 3s but you still won't hit 10-12 seconds in the quarter mile.

The dizzy, I don't think theres an upgrade out there. Stick with the stock one.

Header intake and exhaust won't do much for you. Only way to go is Forced Induction.

[babi_boi]

so the stock wires are the best thing for this car? and boosting it would probably b better than trying to go all motor for the 1/4. if so what type of turbo is better (t3?) and any suggestions on where to get a good one
would u suggest switching to fully synthetic oil or is that not good for these cars
and what is ur opinion on a good time for this car in the 1/4

[bccentaur3]

IIRC a 3s swapped celica stock will run low 14's. Not sure. I HAD a 2nd swapped 6th gen with a e153 lsd trans and never ran the quarter mile. I regret it. But o well I've moved on to another project.

Yes stock toyota wires are best. Turbo, it seems as if people upgrade to the T3/T4 turbo or the GT28/30/35 series turbo. Its because the stock ct26 Will poop out on you. If you are serious about a track car, do some home work my friend. Check out the Forced Induction Thread.

[babi_boi]

thanks for the info, i will do some homework and look into the stuff u said, i'll keep u posted
what about the oil? any suggestions on switching to fully synthetic

[blu94gt]

thanks for the info, i will do some homework and look into the stuff u said, i'll keep u posted
what about the oil? any suggestions on switching to fully synthetic

Oil isn't too big of a deal on our cars, I'm using full synthetic right now and not noticing any difference from the cheap Valvoline oil I used before other than being slightly cleaner, definitely wasn't worth like 4 times the cost. I'm going to try the Valvoline Maxlife Synthetic next, it's cheap and seems to be working well in my Maxima.

I think as long as you use a good filter like Wix and a name brand oil (none of the O'reilly's special or whatever) then you'll be just fine.

Oh and what injectors are you using? The cars tend to run rich already, bigger injectors would just be dumping un-needed fuel into the cylinders.

[babi_boi]

i am not sure what size the injectors are, they are stock the same ones that came with the car in 94
but thanks for the oil info. do u have any other tips or suggestions that would help the motor perform better
sorry i need all the help i can get dont know much about celicas yet

[bccentaur3]

send your camshafts out to webcams and get the 294 regrind. 20+ hp gain.

[trdproven]

there are also DENSO iridium plugs and Magnecor 8.5mm wires which I have.

[babi_boi]

so where would i get these kind of wires, do i have to order them on line or can i just get them at a speed shop. also if i do these plugs and wires do i have to up grade anything else to get it to perform right. (like the distributor or change the fuel flow or anything) or will it perform the way it is suppost to with out changing anything else

[babi_boi]

so i looked into getting the magnecor 8.5 mm wires and i found some for $189, just woundering if that was a good price.
also checked into getting some DENSO iridium plugs as well just woundering if anyone had any suggestions on what ones to get the power, the long life, or the racing ones,
now i will be racing, but i will also be driving this car on a daily bases, so not quite sure if the racing plugs will be ok for daily driving, or if they will be to much
if anybody has any suggestions please tell, i need all the help i can get

[soulshadow]

From my experience, stock cars don't have much of a gain in expensive wires and plugs. Save yourself some money and just buy something that works at your local autoparts dealer. Now if your willing to dish out $200 for some wires that looks good in is colored while some other cheaper Generic brand that works just as well and is black then by all means go for it.

As far as oil goes, if the car has over 100X miles and is leaking on the bottom, just use something that works it doesn't have to be full syn but never use those cheapo oils. Your car wont be flying any day soon.

This post has been edited by soulshadow: Feb 24, 2009 - 12:20 AM

[babi_boi]

so if plugs and wires are not what u start with, then what should i start with
keep in mind, i am trying to go all motor for now

[Sinyk]

From what I'm reading, you are expecting to see gains from "all motor" stuff. If you are expecting this to work like a Honda with bolt on performance mods, you are gravely mistaken. Intakes, headers, exhaust, wires, spark plugs... Don't expect more than maybe 5hp gain in the end. If you want to beef up the motor internals, like pistons, cams, injectors, etc, you will see some gains, as mentioned before with the cam regrind, but nothing mind blowing.

You said you had a 94. A 94 what, ST? GT? GT4???

If your goal is power, do your research and start looking at a turbo or a swap (3s or V6). That's really the only way you are going to get anything significant.

[soulshadow]

If you just got your car I would suggest you to drive it for a while as it is and see if you really want to put any money into your car. If anything I would just make it look a little nicer, with rims and supension work. As far as the engine goes, a turbo is the only real gain you will see. Beyond that you end up swapping in engines which cost tons of money. If your looking to spend that much you might as well just find somone with a 6gc swapped and buy there car. Which could save you tons of time and money especially if you don't have the equipment to do the swap or know-how.

Racing and daily does not mix. Eventually the car needs fixing and sometimes it won't be reliable. If anything have yourself a reliable car on the side and racing as a project. Don't make your daily a project unless you plan to be stranded somewhere, or find that its not working right when you really need it. I've Learned from my experience.

[babi_boi]

From what I'm reading, you are expecting to see gains from "all motor" stuff. If you are expecting this to work like a Honda with bolt on performance mods, you are gravely mistaken. Intakes, headers, exhaust, wires, spark plugs... Don't expect more than maybe 5hp gain in the end. If you want to beef up the motor internals, like pistons, cams, injectors, etc, you will see some gains, as mentioned before with the cam regrind, but nothing mind blowing.

You said you had a 94. A 94 what, ST? GT? GT4???

If your goal is power, do your research and start looking at a turbo or a swap (3s or V6). That's really the only way you are going to get anything significant.

it is a 94 gt

[babi_boi]

If you just got your car I would suggest you to drive it for a while as it is and see if you really want to put any money into your car. If anything I would just make it look a little nicer, with rims and supension work. As far as the engine goes, a turbo is the only real gain you will see. Beyond that you end up swapping in engines which cost tons of money. If your looking to spend that much you might as well just find somone with a 6gc swapped and buy there car. Which could save you tons of time and money especially if you don't have the equipment to do the swap or know-how.

Racing and daily does not mix. Eventually the car needs fixing and sometimes it won't be reliable. If anything have yourself a reliable car on the side and racing as a project. Don't make your daily a project unless you plan to be stranded somewhere, or find that its not working right when you really need it. I've Learned from my experience.

ok thanks for the info i think i am just going to check into getting a turbo, cuz the way it sounds this is not the car for all motor.
this car can be just for racing if it will be worth it in the end. i have other cars i can drive for the daily driving. i just like driving this one thats all
but i guess i can just drive the others if this car has the right potential for being anything good in the racing world

[st18]

look up the vemon 400.