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As promised, jimbo, heres the build thread for the 'trac.
ill let you fill in the story of how you aquired it, ect, im just gonna post pics and info as i go about doing the work for ya. so, lets get this show on the road! first, jim came up friday with a '93 alltrac, that had a blown motor with no head on it, attached to the AWD tranny, hanging in the bay by only the drivers side mount. in the back of his truck was a 3rd gen 3s setup, WRC tranny, and some random parts for the swap. we got the car in the garage, and once i got the hood off and stared in amazement for a few moments, i started getting ready to litterally drop the motor out the bottom. the crossmember and stuff was already out, all i had to do was remove the shifter cables, clutch line, and speedo gear. i took out the 3 bolts holding the tranny bracket to the mount, and out it came with a thud. ![]() joe gave me a hand pulling it out from underneath, we hung out for awhile, and that was that for friday night. saturday morning, we went out and pulled the motor and stuff off the back of the truck, and got it into the garage. the motor had parts of a TD06 turbo kit on it, and jim and i walked thru how he wanted it setup, and off they went. today, i went out and got to work. sorry for the blurry pics, for some reason my camara dont like to take pics under the floresent lights. the bad 2nd gen and tranny ![]() engine bay ![]() the new motor (i had already clocked the turbo closer to where it will be in these pics) ![]() ![]() minor clearance issue ![]() whats wrong with this pic? ![]() hrmm..a little gasket maker? ![]() clearance issue solved, so lets make a screamer pipe!! ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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clearance to oil return line
![]() ![]() waiting on more pipe to finish it off. ![]() alltrac rear mount and bracket, and speedo gear along side the 205 speedo gear ![]() ![]() i LOVE having a parts washer. ![]() i bolted that and the tranny bracket on the WRC, and called it a night. tommorow, i should have the parts to put timing belt side back together. jim i hope you sent the upper timing belt backing plate (the one that bolts to the valve cover) cause i dont have one here. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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WOW Manny, You aren't wasting anytime...YOU ARE THE BEST.
I love the way the scream pipe came out, looks great. WOW! Parts look new again after being in the parts washer. You really do spectacular work Manny, you really take pride in your work. I wouldn't trust my cars to anyone else. No, I didn't include a Valve cover baking plate, I didn't realize I didn't give it to you. I will send that up tomorrow for you. I look forward to watching the progression of this build as much as I anticipate driving it. For those that will follow this thread, you will have plenty to read and view in the few weeks/months...as Manny and I have a few VERY nice projects lined up. And I cant say it enough, Manny.....YOU ARE THE BEST!!! --------------------
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I'm looking forward to this!
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MMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE also!!!!
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thanks, jimbo, i wanna get this one done ASAP!
im hoping to have the motor in the bay by the weekend, i cant install the timing stuff without the backing plate, for some reason your cams and caps do not have the notch that every 3sgte ive ever seen has! ill snap a couple pics for ya tommorow. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Manny gets to have all the fun!
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saweeeeet!!!! ....i miss Jim and Shannon
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so yesterday, i went out and got a bunch more stuff done, and a package with more parts arrive for me to install today.
heres the progress installed the a/c compressor, and alt bracket ![]() retapped some damaged threads on the passanger mount ![]() ![]() OMG filthy crossmembers ![]() ![]() ![]() much easier to work with when they are like this: ![]() whoops wrong rear main seal (old one on top, you can see how the new one is just a bit smaller) ![]() and a little bracket i made to hold the dipstick since the WG is in the way a bit. ![]() ordered all the intercooler piping, couplers and clamps, and tune up parts last night, im hoping to have everything here by the weekend so i can button up the motor and get it in the bay. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Damn Manny!! You never stop with these awesome projects! Mr2 rolls out, alltrac rolls right in afterwards. Should be an awesome swap
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im just building the b-pipe, the rest of the exhaust is already there.
im not sure what the wiring is like, jim had the wiring done by tweak. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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jim had the wiring done by tweak. UH OHHH!!! hahahha just kiding, im sure it will be just fine. How about some pictures of the donor??? gotta love the 5th Gen all-tracs, im going to take a wild guess and say its black? good work, Man i would kill for a garage and some room. -------------------- ![]() I"M NOT A TOYOTA FAN, IM A FANATIC 1984 accord hatch 5 speed (T-Belt)-Junkyard 1991 VDUB jetta wolfsburg Ed. 5 speed (clutch)-junkyard 1988 Dodge Aries K (sold) 1969 Chevy El camino - Traded for celica 1991 Dodge Daytona-Traded for Celica 1988 Chevy Camaro-Work in Progress 1989 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 - For Sale 1995 Toyota Celica-Work in Progress |
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jim had the wiring done by tweak. UH OHHH!!! hahahha just kiding, im sure it will be just fine. I own, have swapped, wired, and seen dozens of swapped Celicas. So I am a bit particular when it comes to my own cars. And I cant say enough good things about Tweaks work. The guys over at Phoneix tuning are truly ARTISTS when it comes to wiring, and they are PROVEN setups. When I got my harness back, I went threw it and it was IMACUALTE! I have no worries that I will be chasing wiring gremlins, I have no worries my harness/car will catch fire, and I have no worries that it will fail me. I know that when I get a harness back from Tweak...IT IS DONE, and WELL above a standard of satisfactory. Tweaks work is above average, even on a professional grade. I would recommened him to anyone, he is the best at what he does...there is no way around that. --------------------
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thats good to hear, jim, i know there were a lot of people with wireing problems way back in the hay day when these swaps were very new to us, but im sure doing them over and over that it has become a lot easier to diagnoise if there are problems that arise.
Im sure that if i swaped again, i would do a 3rd gen for may simple reasons, including the wireing which i would be able to do myself. PICTURES! -------------------- ![]() I"M NOT A TOYOTA FAN, IM A FANATIC 1984 accord hatch 5 speed (T-Belt)-Junkyard 1991 VDUB jetta wolfsburg Ed. 5 speed (clutch)-junkyard 1988 Dodge Aries K (sold) 1969 Chevy El camino - Traded for celica 1991 Dodge Daytona-Traded for Celica 1988 Chevy Camaro-Work in Progress 1989 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 - For Sale 1995 Toyota Celica-Work in Progress |
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i've never seen a swap that tweak did the harness on that had issues. since this is a 205 into a alltrac, the wiring is more complicated than a 205 swap in a 6th gen, which is MUCH easier.
DG, and mikes were a diffrent story. tweak does excellent work, he just did a bodyharness for my cousins mr2 project and it was 100% plug and play perfect. anyway.. the progress for today... got ready to install the cam gears and timing belt, we recently tried this new "gel" threadlock from permatex. this is the threadlocker i will buy from now on, its absolutly the bomb. the liquid stuff tends to be runny, hard to tell if there is enough on there, ect. this stuff being a gel sticks on the bolts, and dont run off, less waste, and works great. i like the blue, cause it holds everything together well enough, but dont permanantly lock things together. ![]() i had to retap the lower tensioner bolt hole, you can see the damaged threads in this pic ![]() somthing odd about this particular motor. every 3s ive ever seen has notches on the back of the cam caps, and cams, to line them up for timing. this motor does not have them. ![]() cam gears and t-belt installed ![]() im also going to be installing an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, so i took a pic as i was removing the stock FPR. ![]() we are going to run it in a "deadhead" setup, where the stock return line is eliminated, by using the return on the areomotive FPR. in a stock setup, the fuel runs like this: pump - filter - rail - regulator - return the new configuration will go pump - filter - regulator - rail, with the return coming out of the regulator. the main reason to do it that way for me is just ease of install, and its proven to work just as well if not better than the stock setup, also there are less fittings and line this way which makes it cheaper. more to come, tommorow we pull the fuel tank! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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this morning, my cousin joe came by and we pulled out the fuel tank
some pics eww rust! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() getting ready to clean it up some ![]() ![]() ![]() better ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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![]() coated ![]() painted ![]() ![]() ![]() now im just waiting on an install kit for the walbro pump jim sent up, and ill reinstall it! ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Manny,
Nice job getting that tank outta there. What did you coat it with before the black layer? Thanks again for the latch, should work out great! |
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QUOTE somthing odd about this particular motor. every 3s ive ever seen has notches on the back of the cam caps, and cams, to line them up for timing. this motor does not have them. That is odd. Wonder if those are somehow not stock cams. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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QUOTE somthing odd about this particular motor. every 3s ive ever seen has notches on the back of the cam caps, and cams, to line them up for timing. this motor does not have them. That is odd. Wonder if those are somehow not stock cams. jesse, i used rubberized undercoating, then painted it black (i dont like the brown look, even if you cant see it! lol) yea, idk art...they have toyota pt# stamps on them...odd. FPR line stuff will arrive today, and the rest of the motor parts should arrive tommorow, pics then! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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imma go out to the garage in a bit and start installing jims AFPR, and making the lines up for it.
if the toyota parts arrive, ill install the rear main, and install the tranny too. jim also asked me to do a battery relocation to the trunk, so i'll order a battery tray this weekend and start preping for that as well. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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kinda bummed, the parts didnt arrive from lithia today like i thought they would.
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Thats what you get for shopping at lithia! lol j/k
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Are they some how 3sge cams? IIRC i had the same issues with a 1st gen 3sge head not having the notch and divot.
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Thats what you get for shopping at lithia! lol j/k crap, do you have the gen3 parts in stock art? i definetly will keep you in mind, im sure i'll have to order somthing sooner or later..lol will, i dont know. jim just gave me the motorset to install. i dont know the history of it at all. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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manny, can u access the fuel pump by removing the back seat like you can on the 6th gen, or is it just better to drop the tank? on both the 5th and 6th gen? jw still havent done mine yet
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manny, can u access the fuel pump by removing the back seat like you can on the 6th gen, or is it just better to drop the tank? on both the 5th and 6th gen? jw still havent done mine yet no. since its an alltrac, the gas tank isnt under the back seat, its where the spare goes, near the bumper. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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manny, can u access the fuel pump by removing the back seat like you can on the 6th gen, or is it just better to drop the tank? on both the 5th and 6th gen? jw still havent done mine yet no. since its an alltrac, the gas tank isnt under the back seat, its where the spare goes, near the bumper. ohho ok that makes sense -------------------- st205 powered ss3 coupe
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built a bracket for th AFPR, and started mocking it all up, and installed the fuel pump and reinstalled the tank.
pics. the bracket for the AFPR from aeromotive ![]() ![]() some of the AFPR install parts ![]() test fit..needed to order a couple diffrent fittings, at least summit has a great return policy! ![]() ![]() ![]() and the installed fuel pump ![]() ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Looking great Manny, I'll have to come see this again soon. Which battery tray did you go with? the kind we were talking about?
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Looking great Manny, I'll have to come see this again soon. Which battery tray did you go with? the kind we were talking about? thanks J, your welcome at th garage anytime. yup, im working on somthing special for this one, im hoping it works out. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Manny, great work as usual! I love the way the AFPR is coming out. Nothing sets off a build like some new SS lines
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last night, i installed the rear main, valve cover, and installed the tranny.
for some reason, once the tranny is on (which by the way, installing a AWD tranny BLOWS.) the motor will no longer turn. that means, today, i have to go pull that bitch back off, and figure out why. jim, if i cant get this one to work, imma just use jeremeys tranny. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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I have a tranny?
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got the tranz off, input shaft spins freely, motor spins freely...looks like it may have been hitting the throw out fork...gotta reinstall it to find out.
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thats a tough hit, takin it off once was a bitch enough for me, cant imagine puttin it back on to take it back off lol, that blows. good luck my dude.
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so, it was the fork.
seems like in the process of installing the tranny, it slipped forward and got caught in the PP. resinstalled it, and all is well. got the tune up parts, and fuel filter, so i was able to finalize the AFPR install, and got the harness on, tommorow ill throw the last few parts on and get it into the bay. a few pics the motor ![]() fuel stuff ![]() ![]() ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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WOO! that's coming along great man!
If you need any help at all just let me know, I'm close by and I'm eager to learn as well! haha Not sure when you're going to install it, but if it's friday or saturday afternoon/ night I can swing by and give you a hand |
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what kind of downpipe is that? did u make it?
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its the ATS downpipe for the td06
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motor is in.
all thats left is everything else. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Great thread! I would say that I can't wait to see this car finished, but I'd be lying. I want to see every single step in between now and the finish. You guys always do the best work!
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Great thread! I would say that I can't wait to see this car finished, but I'd be lying. I want to see every single step in between now and the finish. You guys always do the best work! ![]() thanks man...now that the motor is in the bay, things should get good quick...i've got a huge FMIC to mount, IC piping and an intake to fab up, fuel lines to finish...it should make for some good posts over the next week or so. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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motor is in. all thats left is everything else. ![]() Pft - one of these swaps, you guys need to take a video of yourselves dropping an engine in. Just so I can see exactly how "easy" you make it seem... lol. ![]() -------------------- |
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motor is in. all thats left is everything else. ![]() Pft - one of these swaps, you guys need to take a video of yourselves dropping an engine in. Just so I can see exactly how "easy" you make it seem... lol. ![]() haha, my cousin and i were talking last night about how i should have a cam out there going while im working and just stream it to web lmao just ordered aerocatch flush mount hood catches for the hood, they are pretty sweet, jim noticed them on pat c's 800whp, 200+MPH alltrac. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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sweeet, cant wait to see the pics! did u shoot the bay too?
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you guys need to take a video of yourselves dropping an engine in. Shortest video ever... It only takes them 38 seconds to do an engine swap on the Upper North East Coast. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
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how about if someone put a 5th generation beams blacktop with dual VVT-I from the altezza in the GT-Four. Being that it has VVT-I would it be able to produce more hp than the 3rd gen 3sgte if it were set up correctly. By this I mean low comp pistons yada yada blah blah. Wouldn't you be able to get a better tune with VVT-I or is the vvt-i on the intake and exhaust removed once you pass 500 hp??
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you guys need to take a video of yourselves dropping an engine in. Shortest video ever... It only takes them 38 seconds to do an engine swap on the Upper North East Coast. LMAO !!! seems like it huh with how many have been done up here This post has been edited by Ted95: Nov 18, 2010 - 11:47 PM -------------------- st205 powered ss3 coupe
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how about if someone put a 5th generation beams blacktop with dual VVT-I from the altezza in the GT-Four. Being that it has VVT-I would it be able to produce more hp than the 3rd gen 3sgte if it were set up correctly. By this I mean low comp pistons yada yada blah blah. Wouldn't you be able to get a better tune with VVT-I or is the vvt-i on the intake and exhaust removed once you pass 500 hp?? everyone WANTS a custom, one off setup like that...noone wants to PAY for the legwork, research, mechanical, and fabrication to get it done. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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QUOTE now that the motor is in, there are some fitment issues with the ATS downpipe, and the turbo itself hits the fan shroud. I had to grind the shroud when I installed the mishimoto radiator on mine, and the 5th gen has even less engine bay room than that! lol Looks like its time for a set of low profile fans! Really cool project btw. Id love to have a real alltrac! -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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QUOTE now that the motor is in, there are some fitment issues with the ATS downpipe, and the turbo itself hits the fan shroud. I had to grind the shroud when I installed the mishimoto radiator on mine, and the 5th gen has even less engine bay room than that! lol Looks like its time for a set of low profile fans! Really cool project btw. Id love to have a real alltrac! yea, lo pro fan would definetly help, im pretty sure jim had one from shannons 5s project back in the day, ill have to see if he still has it. and yea, man..this engine bay is TIGHT... i found myself looking for pics of pats engine bay to see how he fit everything...now i know why he has one of those civic 1/2 rads, and the sidewinder manifold...lol -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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fitment issues are resolved, im just gonna move the fan over a couple inches and reconfigure the piping a bit to get it to work.
i ran out of batteries for the camara, so ill get some tommorow, and take some pics then. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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how about if someone put a 5th generation beams blacktop with dual VVT-I from the altezza in the GT-Four. Being that it has VVT-I would it be able to produce more hp than the 3rd gen 3sgte if it were set up correctly. By this I mean low comp pistons yada yada blah blah. Wouldn't you be able to get a better tune with VVT-I or is the vvt-i on the intake and exhaust removed once you pass 500 hp?? everyone WANTS a custom, one off setup like that...noone wants to PAY for the legwork, research, mechanical, and fabrication to get it done. ![]() as so then the build would be well worth it, thats the answer I'm getting from you ok thanks. -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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finished up the fuel line install, and spent a couple hrs working on the ignitor and coil bracket.
when tweak did the harness work, he did not set it up to work in the alltrac chassis. on the alltrac, the ignitor and coil are not attached to the firewall together, like the 6th gen. since the harness was left as if it were going in a 6th gen chassis, the wiring for the ignitor and coil were together, and wouldnt reach the stock location on the alltrac. so, i cut up a few brackets, and made one to hold both the ignitor and coil together, like the 6th gen. pics. finalized fuel line install: ![]() ![]() and the ignitor/coil bracket ![]() ![]() ![]() and a quick pic showing the start of the piping route for the IC ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Glad you finally got an ST185. i cant see the pics till i get home, looking foward to it
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installed the clutch line and bled it, installed the heater core hoses, had to switch the control valve to the 3rd gen one, the alltrac one was damaged.
installed the shifter cable clips, just waiting on the bushings from CRW to complete that. finished the screamer pipe, and sliced and diced an old downpipe i had for the 3" flange so i can start welding up the b-pipe tommorow. the hood latch hold downs came in, as well as the BOV flange, tommorow more couplers for the intercooler, solid crossmember bushings from speed source, and fittings and line for the water lines for the turbo should all arrive... should be a buzy day tommorow! pics then!! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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pics of some of the above stuff.
the screamer pipe welded and painted: ![]() installed: ![]() my version of recycling! (ill grind it down and clean it up tommorow before i start welding. ![]() hks bov flange ![]() the alltrac heater control valve: ![]() the 205 one: ![]() the brackets: ![]() 205 control valve, installed: ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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looks good manny, cant wait to see the b-pipe!
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and the aerocatch hood latches.
these things are really cool, they come in 2 versions, a top mount version that sits about 1/8" of an inch above the surface, that use screws and nuts to hold them on, or a bottom mount style that goes in from the bottom and mounts flush with a nice flat surface, that use adheasive to mount them. i wasnt sure about the flush mount style, and knew the top mount ones work on an alltrac (pat c has them on his 200+MPH alltrac with the same hood jim will be using) so thats what we ordered for him. packaging: ![]() the latch (open) and pin (hardware is included as well, just not pictured) ![]() the pin in place: ![]() latched: ![]() these things are quite a bit more than your average hood pins...but man, they are definetly 100000x cleaner, and more secure. they even come in locking versions! aerocatch.com site more pics of those when i go to install them...that should be an interesting process! ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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more pics of those when i go to install them...that should be an interesting process! ![]() I bought a set of these for my ST205 hood, so I would be very interested to see how you fair with this install ![]() Great stuff so far... makes me drool. ![]() -------------------- |
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got the crossmember bushings, and couplers in today, so i installed them and started fabing up intercooler piping.
a few pics. the speedsource solid crossmember bushings: ![]() installed: ![]() ![]() and the hot side of the IC piping. ill grind down the welds and prep the pipes for coating tommorow: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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PURE AWESOMENESS!
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looking good, if you can benifit from this thread on the exhaust or charge pipe routing feel free. its alot tighter in the 185 engine bay.
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looking good, if you can benifit from this thread on the exhaust or charge pipe routing feel free. its alot tighter in the 185 engine bay. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=66058 thanks, man, and yea, its definetly tighter all around the bay, and under as well. thanks for the link, good stuff for refrence. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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2 pics i forgot to take last night:
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Manny what welder are you using?
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i use a lincoln sp135-t.
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What type of saw are you using to cut the piping? Sawzall?
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What type of saw are you using to cut the piping? Sawzall? naa, i use an old chop saw that i got years ago at a rolling harbor frieght type deal, it was like 70 or 80$ at the time. i just buy the ace brand 10" metal blades for it. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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so today i modded the radiator fan, and made the cold side intercooler piping.
pics. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() almost done! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Just amazing work Manny. Will the st185 be getting the st205 rear diff installed from the clip too? One off these days I'll make the trip out there for the big annual meet just to hang with you hahaha
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thanks will.
he didnt bring me a whole clip or anything, just a motorset and WRC tranny. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Odd because he bought a clip and it would have made sense to throw the torsen diff in the trac, fingers crossed trying to work on a deal with Jim to get the rhd stuff plus awd conversion
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got more work done on the car yesterday, finished up the intercooler piping, and made the b-pipe.
i also made myself a pipe beader, out of a pair of vice grips, a 3" exhuast clamp, and a washer. (how to is here: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=76924 ) pics of that and the IC piping. ![]() ![]() ![]() how it gets used: ![]() the results: ![]() ![]() the pipes welded, and then grinded down and beaded ![]() ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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thats pretty sweet manny, wish you could weld alumminum lol
prob doin my swap in january so ill get the piping done and then send the beast over to you for the b-pipe, looks great! -------------------- st205 powered ss3 coupe
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Wow, looks awesome! Come do this to my st165!
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thats good to hear, jim, i know there were a lot of people with wireing problems way back in the hay day when these swaps were very new to us Ugh - tell me about it. Stephen and I are STILL working out the bugs from early 6GC.net swap wires ![]() It's about there now tho. Manny and Jim - You two are the beasts of the east man. Great luck to you on this project [as if you'd need it LOL] Jim - I need parts from your discarded 2nd gen BAD - Please hit me up [Shannon has my digits if you don't still] This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 30, 2010 - 4:48 PM -------------------- ![]() ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI] PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYO SUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/ INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper Sports EXT: WRC/TRD/404 Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them. Slow down Paul Walker. 6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url] |
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Manny and Jim - You two are the beasts of the east man. lmao i love it ![]() -------------------- st205 powered ss3 coupe
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thats good to hear, jim, i know there were a lot of people with wireing problems way back in the hay day when these swaps were very new to us Ugh - tell me about it. Stephen and I are STILL working out the bugs from early 6GC.net swap wires ![]() It's about there now tho. Manny and Jim - You two are the beasts of the east man. Great luck to you on this project [as if you'd need it LOL] Jim - I need parts from your discarded 2nd gen BAD - Please hit me up [Shannon has my digits if you don't still] lmao we try, mattt. we try. ![]() jim is on vacation with shannon till saturday. i really dont think he'll mind, just let me know if you need it. i think i may have one laying around from jims old 2nd gen setup to replace it if need be. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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soo, not too much happening the past couple days, finished up the bpipe, just waiting on some parts to arrive, gonna go out in a while and clean up the welds on the b-pipe, paint it, and install it, and put the finishing touches on the IC piping before it gets sent for coating.
one cool thing that did happen is my cousin took jims wheels over to the local vo-tech school, and they are going to dismount the tires, clean up the bead seats on the wheels, install new valve stems, remount and balance them, all for free. gotta love that. the bead seats are a bit rusty from the car sitting for so long, so the tires, even though they are like new, dont wanna hold air, the above should fix it right up! pics over the weekend! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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![]() Love this thread. I can't wait for videos of this beast. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
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pics of the finished bpipe, the install, and the preped ic piping ready for coating.
the finished bpipe: ![]() ![]() installed: ![]() clearance, clarence. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() the IC piping: ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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![]() some random stuff. coolant line for the turbo: ![]() modded catch can bracket: ![]() where the fuse box will be mounted: ![]() and a couple modded brackets for resistor packs: ![]() ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Looking great Manny
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a few pics from last night.
the finished coolant lines for the turbo, and isolation mounts for the radiator ![]() shifter cable bushing: ![]() modding the throttle cable bracket for the alltrac cable: ![]() ![]() ![]() more to come! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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God - I feel so dirty for looking at these pics...
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Manny how big of an upgrade is ct-20b to td06 and how much laggier is it ?
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Manny how big of an upgrade is ct-20b to td06 and how much laggier is it ? its a bit laggier, but 400whp capable. a pic for the haters. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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^^amazing.
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Looking good, glad my exhaust helped. V-bands FTW
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^^amazing. where is that gonna go? its the battery hold down clamp for the battery relocation kit im making for jims car. they will be available for sale for us 6th genners as well. ![]() -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Looking great Manny, wtf is up with these late 80 early 90 toyota engine bays, my 88 corolla gts is tighter than sh!t,
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got the intercooler tubes back from powdercoat last night, used a wrinkle silver finish on them, i think they look great.
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