 3S-GTE Swap results |
 Dec 14, 2003 - 11:02 AM
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Enthusiast  Joined Aug 5, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Alright ... since the 3S-GTE orriginally belongs to an AWD vehicle ... and since AWD cars lose more power through the flywheel, then once you put on that mean engine on a FWD car ... would you actually be making more power than if you had AWD? I know AWD rules and gets insane traction and lunches like crazy so it would probably still be faster ... but I'm just wondering about the power.
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Dec 14, 2003 - 11:45 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Same power, just more to the wheels.
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Dec 14, 2003 - 1:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
More to the wheels, so possibly better launch if you have some crazy tires..ie. slicks
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Dec 14, 2003 - 6:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 9, '03 From Utah Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You get quite a bit more to the wheels. And personally I think that if you had 2 of the same car, same engine, one FWD and one AWD. I think that the FWD car would run a better 1/4. The AWD would launch on you. But with the extra WHP and the lighter weight of the whole transmission/transaxle put into a AWD... I think that the FWD would catch up and probably pass before hitting the finish line.
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Dec 14, 2003 - 8:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Its 4wd cuz its a rally car, they arent made for 1/4mile runs.
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Dec 14, 2003 - 9:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 5, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ok so I was thinking right. I was just wondering ... why do people crave for AWD so much. I've ridden in my brother's TSI Talon and yea it's insane just cuz it pulls like crazy but I imagine it would feel almost the same if you simply had around 250 HP.
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Dec 14, 2003 - 10:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 9, '03 From Utah Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Topic of thread is 3sGTE swap. And he's talkin about hp. So obviously he wants the engine for the power, not the car it came in for rallying. So I've already posted my thoughts on the AWD vs 2WD. |
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Dec 20, 2003 - 12:16 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 30, '03 From Columbus, Georgia Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
AWD is all about traction...yes u can 250 horsepower, but without proper traction, all ull do is spin wheels. AWD Is great traction but the best fwd solution to traction problems would have to be having a transmission equipped with LSD. just my two cents. 
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Dec 20, 2003 - 12:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 5, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I thought that Celicas had no problem with traction, even after the swap. I picked that up on this forum elsewhere a while ago. Well then, speakin of traction, for you guys that have done the swap already, how does the traction work our for ya?
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Dec 20, 2003 - 3:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
who ever told you that was really wrong any car will have traction problems when you more that double the power. LSD usually helps, along with suspension mods and good tires. good driver also makes a difference -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Dec 20, 2003 - 3:14 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Does anyone know how LSD works?
EDIT: NM, I'll just look it up. |
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Dec 22, 2003 - 8:58 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Personally, i have seen a few Celis that made the swap. My mechanic is an expert on the swap. Due to weight, the power on the fwd is greater. This is great in general but there is a very big problem to the swap.
The power of the engine (especially from the ST205) kills the transmission. I have seen a few Celis that did the swap that needed a new transmision within a week of the swap. This does not mean that the transmision of the celica is problematic. On the contrary my mechanic made the swap and drove his celica for 2.5 years without any problems. The he sold it and the new owner destroyed the transmision in 2 weeks because he believed he should race just about every car whenever he stopped at a traffic lights. I have just drove a Celi with the swap. Engine had a few mods even before the swap. My mechanic tuned the engine down and limited the p.s.i because the car was able to spin with 4th gear. So to make the Swap to race 1/4 miles? I just would not advice that. |
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Dec 22, 2003 - 11:29 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That's why you have the tranny rebuilt ... buy a NEW tranny ... or better yet... do what I did and use an E-153 (SW20 tranny). For better results in terms of traction and torque steer, get LSD installed. I guarantee you that my tranny will last as long as the GT-FOUR or MR2 Turbo trannies stock.
This post has been edited by kuya1284: Dec 22, 2003 - 11:35 AM |
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Dec 23, 2003 - 4:36 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 6, '03 From Fairbanks AK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah i agree with kuya if you've gone so far as to do the engine swap go the distance and do the tranny as well, i'm not sure on the logistics of putting a mr2 turbo tranny in the celi, custom drive axles for starters, but they are capable of with standing over 500hp.
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Dec 23, 2003 - 3:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 1, '03 From Rochester, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well cant you also get the 3sgte tranny swapped in along with the motor? that would take care of the problem with the tranny being weak and all.. but how much more would that cost? dont they come with a 6 speed tranny?
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Dec 23, 2003 - 8:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No, they do not come with a 6 speed tranny... and if you get a st185 or st205 clip, you can't use the tranny because it's AWD. |
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Dec 24, 2003 - 7:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 1, '03 From Rochester, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ohhh ok.. stupid me.. so thats why getting the mr2 engine and tranny and swapping it would be a better idea, therefore you wouldnt have to mess with upgrading and ****ing up your allready stock stressed tranny.. i c i c... hmm i have ideas.. hehe
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Dec 26, 2003 - 3:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Actually, getting an MR2 clip isn't necessarily better. If you do, you're going to have to source more parts that you would by getting a ST185 clip. |
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Dec 26, 2003 - 4:56 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
And yes you can use that transmission. Talk to jhull over at toyotacelicas.com He used the AWD tranny, because there is a way to stop it from moving the gear that would turn the rear driveshaft. Talk to him if you're interested in this, and he actually said this one of the better ways to go. BTW, he is GOD with the 3sgte swap and knows absolutely everything about it....everything! This post has been edited by snadman: Dec 26, 2003 - 4:57 PM -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
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Dec 26, 2003 - 11:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I already know that it's possible... but I personally don't thing it's worth it... considering the added weight and extra expenses. I think one would be better off just selling it and buying a E153. Profit is also a possibility... |
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