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post Jan 23, 2013 - 10:05 PM
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Hey guys, I have a 5sfe in my celica. it's a 94 gt and I was looking for a little more, how should I say oomph out of the engine.It's decent but not good enough yet. My other car is a 350 horsepower camaro so understand my need for speed.
I've been told I can either do a head swap although with a pre 97 model that wont work? thats what I heard.
I'm not interested in a v6 swap. The only other thing I can think of is a 3sge or 3sgte swap?
I have a 5 speed tranny and I can get the stuff for less than a grand (have a buddy who runs a shop).
So its a matter of choosing and deciding the easiest option. But that 3sgte with the twin entry turbo sure sounds nice....


Also in the 5sfe can I port and polish the heads for less restriction? I've been told thats where the main problem is with the engine.
 
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post Jan 25, 2013 - 12:08 PM
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Here is a 5S-FE head, note the shape of the combustion chanber and the angle of the valves, they are almost vertical.



Here is a 3sgte cylinder head, notice how the valves are almost sideways. Rather than go around two 90° bends, the air can almost flow straight through.


side by side-


The FE head on the right is narrower than the GE/GTE head on the left. The reason is notice how much farther apart the camshafts are spaced on the GTE. The camshafts are located almost directly over the valves on the 5SFE, hence the camshafts are close together. The camshafts are farther apart on the GE/GTE because the valves are pitched at a more sideways angle.
So the point is that with a 5sfe head, the airflow will have to make 4 sharp bends- 1) from horizontal flow through the intake port to nearly vertical downwards through the valve; 2) once it passes through the valve into the combustion chamber it must turn nearly 90° to flow towards the exhaust valve; 3) another sharp nearly 90° bend into the exhaust valve; finally another nearly 90° out the exhaust port.
The 3SGTE/3SGE has these same bends, but the angle are all significantly less. I would go so far as to conjecture that the airflow through the head has to make HALF the degrees of turns.

Yes there are many things you can do to improve the airflow of the 5sfe head, but the single most cost effective performance mod you can perform is to simply swap from a FE to a GE/GTE head.



Edit** ok so I finally found the specs buried in the forums, the 5SFE has a 22.3° valve angle, whereas the 3SGTE and 3SGE have 44.5° valve angles.

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 25, 2013 - 12:39 PM

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- momentai99   5sfe head swap?   Jan 23, 2013 - 10:05 PM
- - Syaoran   If you want power, get a 3S-GTE and a lot of extra...   Jan 24, 2013 - 9:50 AM
- - Special_Edy   Get a 3S-GTE/3S-GE head and swap it on so you have...   Jan 24, 2013 - 1:59 PM
- - Gwerder   I thought this was interesting. http://www.6gc.n...   Jan 25, 2013 - 11:22 AM
- - Special_Edy   Here is a 5S-FE head, note the shape of the combus...   Jan 25, 2013 - 12:08 PM
- - Smaay   ^^^ you are correct in alot of the information tha...   Jan 25, 2013 - 12:52 PM
- - momentai99   learning a lot here guys wow. taking it all in,a 5...   Jan 25, 2013 - 1:51 PM
- - Syaoran   A headswap with no modifications can be done to a ...   Jan 25, 2013 - 7:17 PM
|- - momentai99   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jan 25, 2013 - 8:17...   Jan 25, 2013 - 11:02 PM
- - Syaoran   I believe that what changes is the water passages....   Jan 26, 2013 - 12:33 PM
- - trdproven   a 5sfte is not bad if you are not going to go supe...   Jan 28, 2013 - 5:00 AM
- - Syaoran   @Special_Edy: You think the valves are almost vert...   Jan 31, 2013 - 12:43 AM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jan 30, 2013 - 9:43...   Jan 31, 2013 - 10:16 AM
- - momentai99   yeah but how hard is it to turbo these engines? th...   Jan 31, 2013 - 11:38 AM
- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 31, 2013 - 11:16 ...   Jan 31, 2013 - 3:06 PM
- - Special_Edy   My only reservation about a 5SGTE/5SGE is the shap...   Jan 31, 2013 - 7:10 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jan 31, 2013 - 8...   Feb 1, 2013 - 11:31 PM
- - presure2   have you guys even looked in the FI stickys? I ma...   Feb 3, 2013 - 10:34 AM
- - TRDweaponX   Here is a company that provides a head/cam/throttl...   Feb 3, 2013 - 11:21 PM


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