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post Jul 23, 2013 - 3:17 PM
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I heard the 3sgte valves work in the 5sfte build but I was hoping for something a little more performance wise. Anyone have experience with this? Wanting at least 350 hp.


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post Jul 23, 2013 - 6:20 PM
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Well if that's the case, then you should go and read up on MrTurrari. He's the only one who actually has a built 5S-FE with a lot of custom work on it.

Major fault points: Cams. The springs aren't as much as an issue as the cams. In fact, 5S-FE springs are better than a lot of other performance engines'.

If you wanna build a mean 5S-FE, you need a good set of cams, a custom intake manifold, a much larger TB than stock (~70mm) and all the related headwork.

Valves: 2JZ-GTE valves work. Get 2JZ-GTE Toyota or aftermarket valves.

Springs and retainers: 2JZ-GTE springs require the lower part of the spring to be opened up a bit. They otherwise work perfectly. A competent machine shop can do the work.

Pistons: You're gonna have to get them custom made. I recommend going with CP or JE pistons for these. 87.75mm for a true 2.2L displacement.

Rods: Pauter Rods are the only off-the-shelf rods for the 5S. I bought a set of unbranded Eagle rods from China (Eagle H-beam rods are not made in the USA apparently) but I haven't tested them far enough to recommend them. They did require work on the piston pin, big bore and side clearances to fit properly. Whatever you do, try to get them with whatever extra lubrication machining the manufacturer can provide (like piston pin oiling and the holes on the sides for cooling the piston with oil) which will provide extra longevity.

Cams: Anything with over 8mm lift and over 220* @ 0.050" duration will do a LOT better than stock.

Headwork: You'll need everything. New seats for the valves, new valve job, porting the intake side, porting and polishing the exhaust, etc. I recommend doing a shimless bucket conversion. It'll help lighten the valve train and help the engine rev easier as well as removing the risk present from using shim-over buckets (stock)

Block: Line hone the main caps, bore and hone the cylinders, deck the block smooth.

Electronics: Megasquirt-3/extra to control it all, could look into Haltech, ViPec, etc.

Don't use the distributor. Convert to crank sensor. Get a 98+ head with the provision for the cam position sensor and the cam sprocket with the tooth for it. Full sequential injection is best. COP ignition is optional but recommended.

Get a good turbo, and unless you have easy access to e85, water/meth injection is a must.

You're looking at at least well over $5000 right there already, without labor costs.


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Posts in this topic
- NeverBeGosu   5sfte Valve's?   Jul 23, 2013 - 3:17 PM
- - rjbibeau   u might as well go 3sgte swap if you are shooting ...   Jul 23, 2013 - 3:35 PM
- - PolliS_5S-FE   There is a big post by Syaoran on building the hea...   Jul 23, 2013 - 4:15 PM
- - Syaoran   We used to believe 3S-GTE valves would work on a R...   Jul 23, 2013 - 4:53 PM
- - NeverBeGosu   if I just get performance ones made custom, should...   Jul 23, 2013 - 4:57 PM
- - Syaoran   P.S. why are you looking into valves? The cost of ...   Jul 23, 2013 - 4:59 PM
- - NeverBeGosu   this is not a budget build. I am wanting to repla...   Jul 23, 2013 - 5:42 PM
- - Syaoran   Well if that's the case, then you should go an...   Jul 23, 2013 - 6:20 PM
- - NeverBeGosu   Now that's a post im looking for I already p...   Jul 23, 2013 - 6:40 PM
- - Syaoran   9.5:1 is the static compression ratio of the pisto...   Jul 23, 2013 - 9:32 PM
- - NeverBeGosu   These are the rods I am looking at but am trying t...   Jul 24, 2013 - 5:05 PM
- - Syaoran   The difference is the big end bore. You'll nee...   Jul 24, 2013 - 7:39 PM
|- - NeverBeGosu   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jul 25, 2013 - 1:39...   Jul 25, 2013 - 12:09 AM
- - Smaay   holy crap man, why on earth would you drop 10K int...   Jul 25, 2013 - 5:11 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jul 25, 2013 - 6:11 P...   Jul 26, 2013 - 11:26 AM
- - NeverBeGosu   cuase I want to be different and its fun, and it ...   Jul 26, 2013 - 2:22 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (NeverBeGosu @ Jul 26, 2013 - 3...   Jul 26, 2013 - 5:45 PM
- - NeverBeGosu   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jul 26, 2013 - 10:4...   Jul 30, 2013 - 3:22 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (NeverBeGosu @ Jul 30, 2013 - 4...   Jul 30, 2013 - 5:56 PM
- - Smaay   you are going to spend a ton of money and make fai...   Jul 30, 2013 - 5:15 PM
- - NeverBeGosu   Cams are already on my list mate, in the my projec...   Jul 31, 2013 - 4:08 PM


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