Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Lucky! So how'd you like it? Was it what you expected? Or no?

[kurt95gt]

Lucky! So how'd you like it? Was it what you expected? Or no?

It was basically how I thought it would be smooth from idle to 7k an very quick on the highway
I have drove richee3s beams before too
Dustins is a step up from dans but a 1 up on a 1mz idk
For me driving both the line of witch is better I've very blurred
My 1mz feel like it pull alot harder from idle to 6k than the beams
But the beams is so smooth that you don't notice how fast the power comes in.
I honestly think it will come down to how well either car is tuned an the skill of the driver
Personally I'd give the win in a race to the 1mz because it'll get the beams where it counts
The 1mz on good tires will out run the beams to the 60 foot mark in a drag race. An if you can beat some one to the 60 foot in cars that are fairly even matched you'll have a hard time catching up after the 60 foot
The beams is a fun highway motor
You can rev the balls off of it an fly by traffic
But you can't get away with that so easy intown
The 1mz is a monster in town since your at lower rpms
But falls alittle short on the top end on the highway