Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

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Had a dyslexia moment and thought it said 143 ft lb, still that's only 3 more ft lb than the 5S and is low for a V6 all things considered. Plus other things to take into consideration would be transmission and final ratios of the FTO.

Anyhow, it'd really be close between the two provided the cars are equally set up. The one good thing is if both cars have the S54 it boils down to just the engine, and this is what I'd like to see. Perfect scenario you have two GT's with the only difference being the BEAMS or 1MZ-FE; suspension the same, wheels and tires the same, so on and so forth. Even go as far to find a semi-pro driver that'd be unbiased to drive both cars to ensure fairness. Then it totally comes down to the engine with no other variables being involved. Then have a variety of tests: 0-60, 0-100, 50-70, 70-85, 70-100, and 1/4 mile. From there could do a slalom and skid pad test, and then find a nice road course to get some lap times. That'd establish a pretty good benchmark of what both swaps are capable of and put any disputes to rest. I think it'd make for a fun event as well, everyone could get together and see both cars perform in person. Of course the problem is making two equal cars and all of the work involved in doing such.