Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[Smaay]

Dang i wish i saw this last night. It was getting late for me.

ok I originally did have a hybrid. 3MZ block with 1MZ heads. for some reason i cant explain since i totally rebuilt that engine, it spun a rod bearing. Well when i was shopping for the Sienna Axle carrier it was still attached to a very clean 2005 3MZ-FE. so for 700 bucks i bought the entire thing. in the course of 1 day, i pulled my hybrid, and installed the 3MZ. now for the good part. I have no DBW, im using the 1MZ intake manifold and throttle body. I had to slightly modify the throttle body because the water ports were hitting the slightly larger 3MZ heads. No big deal since i never run water through the throttle body anyways.

now for ease of the swap, it was a perfect plug and play. well almost. because i wanted to i also bought a Solara E153 so i needed axles, the nice thing is i had a set right here for my 7th gen. you see we figured out a way to adapt the E153 to bolt to a 2ZZ for us big power guys. I could have easily used my stock S54 and only needed a new clutch disk.

Now for power, you cant compare a Camry to a Celica, the Camry weighs so much more, and was it a 5 speed? thats another big difference.

You have seen my Dyno im sure. I make 20 more HP 2000 RPMs sooner.

ill add more, gotta do some work.