Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[BonzaiCelica]

FTO is a 2.0 liter v6 engine thats why SS-III beats it.

stock for stock i'd choose the beams over a pre 97 1mzfe. the vvt-i 1mzfe that comes with 210 hp stock I would put in my celica. i just don't like the fact that gearing won't be well suited with the transmission because the 1mzfe makes power at 6k as to where the beams make power at 7,000 rpm. the heavier e153 trans wouldn't be an option for me

with my beams the gears are just where i like them

and smaay how you compare those dynos with a stock beams. you have an aftermarket ecu and tune/hybrid motor. personally i just like the fact that beams came in a celica from the factory.

smaay you drive a supra and turbo 2zz. your so accustomed to torque you can't live without it. ha

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 25, 2013 - 8:00 PM

[kurt95gt]

FTO is a 2.0 liter v6 engine thats why SS-III beats it.

stock for stock i'd choose the beams over a pre 97 1mzfe. the vvt-i 1mzfe that comes with 210 hp stock I would put in my celica. i just don't like the fact that gearing won't be well suited with the transmission because the 1mzfe makes power at 6k as to where the beams make power at 7,000 rpm. the heavier e153 trans wouldn't be an option for me

with my beams the gears are just where i like them

and smaay how you compare those dynos with a stock beams. you have an aftermarket ecu and tune/hybrid motor. personally i just like the fact that beams came in a celica from the factory.

smaay you drive a supra and turbo 2zz. your so accustomed to torque you can't live without it. ha

No those numbers are from the full 3mz running a stock 1mz ecu I do beleave
Don't think the hybrid made it to the dyno