Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[Batman722]

Smaay, you're diluting facts.

First, I'm well aware you're set up is more powerful than any N/A Beams, in fact we all are. You have a rebuilt 3mz bottom end with 1m heads and electronics with an e153, ect. That's a fantastic set up without a doubt.

I'm stating my stock Beams would run (and IMO) take a swapped 1mz-fe in a Celica. Their overall stats are close and I think the Beams would pull it. It's just a matter of time before it's settled irl.

No n/a 4cyl would beat a 3mz or your hybrid. Case closed.

The facts I see you diluting are this:
Cost of swap and ease of swap.

Starting with ease, both motors fit in the bay. A V6 would need a custom pass mount, a Beams would need stock. You say the V6's wiring was almost plug and play, that's BS. Beams is 3-4 wires, plugs in, starts, drives. How about exhaust manifolds and ECUs ? You mixed and matched parts to make yours work. Beams is all stock. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there is a few more I'll think of later.

Cost: My Beams w/tranny, ECU, ect was $1654 to my door. We both need clutches, I replaced timing belt, water pump, tensioners, couple of gaskets, ect, nothing you haven't done or wouldn't do. My Beams swap cost me about $2300 maybe (+exhaust), and that's pushing it.
You rebuilt your motor, used an e153, MR2 inners, all trac outers, & spacer, couple of mounts from an st205, mixed and matched parts to make yours work. All of those cost good $ + the price of the motor(s). Not to mention you still want to get a different canister and ECU, those aren't free for most people. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong but I would guess that the e153 +axles, mounts, ecus, headers, the machine shop work, and clutch, gaskets, ect, would be around $1600. Now the average person can't do the wiring, so you have to factor in how much tweek or mr220v charges for wiring, and you're at $2000 + the cost of a motor - US motor, most likely higher mileage and neglected, which means a rebuild, which costs more $.

You cannot tell me that swapping a V6 is cheaper and easier than a Beams.
Maybe you get parts and have work done free or cheap, I assume you have very good resources but in reality the average person doesn't. These things add up.