Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[njccmd2002]

IMO the only worth v6 engine to put extra work to wire in the celica now a days is a 2gr.

Beams was easy for me, ive never done it before, with the right tools, anyone can wire and swap the beams. Its like going to the lego store and just putting in the new block you just got.

But to each is own. I will not spend time researching, or brainstorming on the older v6 engines. sorry guys, im a practical guy.

The beams swap in my case, i dropped it in. with 35 k miles, i did not even change the clutch. well at least the first year.

10 years ago, the 1mz was probably the right choice, beams were not available as now, and the 2gr were a dream.

But times change. Its like still believing that older Ford vehicles will not nickle and dime you to death, and that Kias warranty is the best on the market.

[Smaay]

IMO the only worth v6 engine to put extra work to wire in the celica now a days is a 2gr.

Beams was easy for me, ive never done it before, with the right tools, anyone can wire and swap the beams. Its like going to the lego store and just putting in the new block you just got.

But to each is own. I will not spend time researching, or brainstorming on the older v6 engines. sorry guys, im a practical guy.

The beams swap in my case, i dropped it in. with 35 k miles, i did not even change the clutch. well at least the first year.

10 years ago, the 1mz was probably the right choice, beams were not available as now, and the 2gr were a dream.

But times change. Its like still believing that older Ford vehicles will not nickle and dime you to death, and that Kias warranty is the best on the market.

and you are entitled to your opinion. The 2GR is a monster engine but to get it running in a celica is a ton more work. there is no getting around the DBW on the 2GR, so you need to install a gas pedal and much more wiring. plus the 2GR is a taller engine, i dont know if it will fit without a GT4 hood. And then there is cost. 2GR's are NOT CHEAP! i would actually got 3rd gen 3S instead of 2GR.

[njccmd2002]

IMO the only worth v6 engine to put extra work to wire in the celica now a days is a 2gr.

Beams was easy for me, ive never done it before, with the right tools, anyone can wire and swap the beams. Its like going to the lego store and just putting in the new block you just got.

But to each is own. I will not spend time researching, or brainstorming on the older v6 engines. sorry guys, im a practical guy.

The beams swap in my case, i dropped it in. with 35 k miles, i did not even change the clutch. well at least the first year.

10 years ago, the 1mz was probably the right choice, beams were not available as now, and the 2gr were a dream.

But times change. Its like still believing that older Ford vehicles will not nickle and dime you to death, and that Kias warranty is the best on the market.

and you are entitled to your opinion. The 2GR is a monster engine but to get it running in a celica is a ton more work. there is no getting around the DBW on the 2GR, so you need to install a gas pedal and much more wiring. plus the 2GR is a taller engine, i dont know if it will fit without a GT4 hood. And then there is cost. 2GR's are NOT CHEAP! i would actually got 3rd gen 3S instead of 2GR.

Lol what was the cost of a second gen 10 years ago. Ton of wiring and custom stuff to be made. But people did it regArdless the cost.

Its called innovation. 10 years into the future its called old news. Old tech. Never said it was easy. But its the only worth swap id do. Sorry old news are old news. 1mzs belong in soccer vans, to carry bunch of kids and gatorade to football practice.

Not offending anyone. But its time to move on and accept the future.

Is anyone still using the iphone 3s. I have a 5 now.

Oh and i forgot... Its not personal. Its business....