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OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be. I'm a believer in both. First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO. A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head. You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte. I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with. The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head. Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat. The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really. Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why. Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams. Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer. 3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher. Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed. Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe. A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise. A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars. -------------------- |
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Great, 6GC is back up and priority #1, more drama in this thread
![]() The facts I believe you're diluting were cost and ease of the swap, as I stated clearly. You're running a 1m manifold, throttle body, and electronics with a 3m bottom end to avoid the DBW, we're aware. That goes along with the the cost and ease statements - so if someone was swapping a 3m would you recommend they getting parts from a 1m also ? Gotta buy more parts to make it work ? Why not just run the full 3m parts and wiring ? Why mix and match ? I would think that using the parts that came with the motor would be less expensive than sourcing parts from another motor. I know it was easier for you because you just swapped the bottom end of your original 1m set up, right ? But for the average person...not cheap and easy. Not everyone has the resources you do. Cost and ease. Facts to back it up. My 95 st205 swap. My chassis was tearing itself apart. I made 300 ftlbs of torque (at high RPM) and my 18 year old chassis wasn't keeping up. I can only speak from my experience and what I've seen on other Celicas. I live in the northeast and winters take their toll. Someone who lives and has a car in the southern part of the US (or Cali) probably doesn't have to be too concerned about this yet but in my part of the world, we do. I parted my 205 swap because many of the seams were starting to get rusted, rotted, cracked, and overstresed from wear and tear. It was something I monitored for years in my car. If I had a 5s and daily drove it it would of lasted a lot longer. There is no doubt that the hp and more importantly the torque is what accelerated the death of my chassis. I see it on a lot of Celicas. Now you're big thing is huge torque at low rpms, right ? Lot's a lot of torque in daily driving situations to help kill the chassis. People who build great motor set ups with high hp and torque know the additional stress that get put on the chassis and they super strengthen them up for this reason. You'd be hard pressed to find a Celica without stress issues, and even if you do, it has issues and you wouldn't even know until it's too late. -------------------- |
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