Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[kurt95gt]

Don't even care about this anymore lol
My last thoughts on this.
Yes I put an economy motor in my car
But I'd bet my Avalon motor hasn't been ran as hard in the 140k its been in a car as a beams with the same milage.

Both are great swaps it all depends on what you like.
Honestly if you haven't rode in a v6 celica stfu because you don't know how the motor is in a celica. Saying of I drove a v6 Camry.
Yea let's throw a beams in a camry with a autotragic trans an see how sporty it feels.
I took mine to a meet this weekend that was hosted by celicatech
Had a guy with a st165 riding with me that said theres Noway his altrac could keep up with my 1mz an a guy fallowing with a 4gen swapped altrac that swears I was pulling on him in 3rd gear an kept pulling till my tail lights came on.
So I'm now fully aware of what my car can do.
Will it beat a 3s swapped 2wd....no not a chance.
Will it keep up with a beams....yes
Will it out run a beams....yes if your running it 100% stock electronics...speed cut must suck for you guys.
Will it beat one in a quarter mile....maybe its really gonna come down to the drivers.
There's really nothing to compare between the 2 motors
If you truly like the beams you probably won't like the 1mz
If you truly like the 1mz you probably won't like the beams as much.

Your beams if amazing Dustin. You'll never hear me say otherwise.
If you didn't tell me I'd think your car was 100% stock. Feel just like a celica should feel.....stock.
But I didn't spend all my time an money just to have my celica feel stock. I wanted something that I could baby around town an get decent mpg but blow the tires apart with a tap of the throttle. But didn't want a turbo. My 1mz gives me just that. Feels just like a 5s with small light throttle inputs. But smash it to the floor an the tires start to scream an the exhaust starts to sing a song that normally can only be heard in high end exotic cars.

That is what I wanted an that is what I built.
I built it to be different an it worked.
If it catches on an more being do it cool. If not...cool.
I did it for me. I realize that now.
Random ranting an rambling over