Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[rdyzz]

i'd love to have a 1mz or 2gr in a celica that being said its not comparable lol. your comparing a v6 with 1000cc more displacement to a 4 cylinder engine, not amount of valve lift, valve timing technology is gonna make a 2L have the torque of a 3L of the same era. the 90% torque at 2,000 rpm would be fun on the streets, i drove a 5spd 1mzfe camry years back and loved it, well it wasnt able to make much use of that torque around corners but regardless it was fun.

aside from my late iac issues i've beaten the heck out of my beams 3sge and its delivered everytime, i even over heated it once due to a burst coolant line, got the temp to 3/4 twice due to a failed radiator cap at the track and a weak fuel pump causing lean initial throttle. my 3sge has taken all these pretty well. so i guess this is what i care about and think about when i rate an engine. no point in an engine making more hp/tq if you cant use it or it cant last long. and i dont doubt the v6's in fact my next sw20 build might have one in it.

This post has been edited by rdyzz: Sep 30, 2013 - 4:33 PM