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post Oct 22, 2013 - 8:35 AM
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I'm looking for some advice. The engine is almost back in the car, and I then need to finish the chassis upgrades.

I have a ST front sway bar to install and my friend seems to think that if I remove the sway bar altogether and NOT install the ST bar, that will significantly remove any understeer.

cwm13.gif <- I gave him one of these.

Doesn't make much sense to me to completely remove it; the new REAR sway bar is installed and set to stiff. But I can't see this car having so much HP that understeer would be affected at all...

Squash this inner turmoil for me.

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post Oct 22, 2013 - 6:26 PM
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Our cars hardly understeer at all... even when mine was stock it would barely understeer. You also need to know how to corner properly; like when to brake, when to coast, when to get on the gas, and also you need to have a nice line through a corner. Obviously, if you cut the wheel sharp and stomp on the gas, you'll get a bunch of understeer lmao

With my setup;
front 3pt strut bar
rear 2pt strut bar
interior harness bar
coilovers all around
about -1.7 to -1.9 camber in the front
about -3 to -3.5 of camber in the rear (didn't plan for that to happen, just did when I installed my coilovers)
bridgestone potenza re-760 sport tires

I don't get any understeer at all. No oversteer either, but I can make the rear end kick a little bit lol

And to answer your question, if you install the front ST sway bar, it will help with the understeer.
But like you said, NOTRACECAR, so you shouldn't even be worried haha laugh.gif
post Oct 23, 2013 - 6:24 AM
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Also, as a general rule; passenger cars are designed to understeer. It's a safer, "loss of car control" scenario than say... some snappy oversteer.



QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Oct 22, 2013 - 7:26 PM) *
about -3 to -3.5 of camber in the rear (didn't plan for that to happen, just did when I installed my coilovers)


Holy crazy tire wear, Batman!


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post Oct 23, 2013 - 9:57 AM
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QUOTE (qatar11 @ Oct 23, 2013 - 7:24 AM) *
Also, as a general rule; passenger cars are designed to understeer. It's a safer, "loss of car control" scenario than say... some snappy oversteer.



QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Oct 22, 2013 - 7:26 PM) *
about -3 to -3.5 of camber in the rear (didn't plan for that to happen, just did when I installed my coilovers)


Holy crazy tire wear, Batman!


Well I've only had them on for the spring-fall so there really isn't too much odd wear.
It really helps with cornering though because when you turn to either side the tire will press down more evenly on pavement and will become closer to 0 degrees of camber, which makes a better contact to the ground. Where as if you're around 0 to -1 degree of camber, depending on the corner, the wheel might start to positive camber, which could be bad because you run the possibility of losing contact on the inside of the tire.

I've only read up on the whole camber thing a little bit so that's what I took from it so far, hoping to read up more in the near future, but if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me on it.

Posts in this topic
- KAOS   Reducing Understeer   Oct 22, 2013 - 8:35 AM
- - JoshuaM   Lots of threads on this.... somewhere, lol Rear ...   Oct 22, 2013 - 8:50 AM
- - playr158   I disconnected my frontsway bar in my MKIV Jetta T...   Oct 22, 2013 - 8:56 AM
- - qatar11   QUOTE (KAOS @ Oct 22, 2013 - 9:35 AM...   Oct 22, 2013 - 2:34 PM
- - Box   http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp...   Oct 22, 2013 - 3:18 PM
- - delusionz   to reduce understeer do some or any of these upgra...   Oct 22, 2013 - 3:33 PM
- - RabidTRD   Want less under steer? Raise the rear! By givi...   Oct 22, 2013 - 3:35 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   I heard removing front sway bar makes hard braking...   Oct 22, 2013 - 4:26 PM
- - delusionz   or fix your driving. if your car cant turn? pull t...   Oct 22, 2013 - 4:30 PM
- - KAOS   Sorry, I think the point of this topic wasn't ...   Oct 22, 2013 - 4:53 PM
- - delusionz   oh yeah, i didnt properly read the first post. Ye...   Oct 22, 2013 - 4:58 PM
- - Box   The link I posted /thread   Oct 22, 2013 - 5:46 PM
- - mkernz22   Our cars hardly understeer at all... even when min...   Oct 22, 2013 - 6:26 PM
|- - qatar11   Also, as a general rule; passenger cars are design...   Oct 23, 2013 - 6:24 AM
|- - mkernz22   QUOTE (qatar11 @ Oct 23, 2013 - 7:24...   Oct 23, 2013 - 9:57 AM
- - RabidTRD   Camber doesn't wear tires down. Alignment and ...   Oct 23, 2013 - 9:16 AM
|- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Oct 23, 2013 - 10...   Oct 23, 2013 - 9:42 AM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Oct 23, 2013 - 10...   Oct 23, 2013 - 10:17 AM
|- - malpaso   QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Oct 23, 2013 - 4...   Oct 24, 2013 - 7:33 AM
|- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (malpaso @ Oct 24, 2013 - 8:33...   Oct 25, 2013 - 2:10 PM
- - czwalga   If your front tires arent sliding you arent unders...   Oct 23, 2013 - 12:39 PM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (czwalga @ Oct 23, 2013 - 1:39...   Oct 24, 2013 - 7:09 AM
|- - czwalga   QUOTE (qatar11 @ Oct 24, 2013 - 8:09...   Oct 24, 2013 - 7:19 AM
- - Box   Get a Porsche 911 and do both!   Oct 25, 2013 - 1:51 PM


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