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> "whatever" swaped st205, which motor would worthy replace a 3sgte?
post Jun 16, 2014 - 4:55 PM
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OK! I know it's not a forum friendly discussion but it's really common on other cars (rwd mostly)
you see sr rb 2jz and ls , bmw and mercedes v8 and v10s powered cars a lot these days.
Of course you can make that power of a 3s but it's not the best motor around.
Which swap would you do if you wanted big hp numbers and reliability for an AWD st205?
I've seen some v6 but they are fwd , and also a 4g (evo) swapped here in Greece.

I would like to hear some opinions and not the typical "stick with your 3s".
 
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post Jun 22, 2014 - 5:34 PM
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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jun 21, 2014 - 7:16 PM) *
1uz wont fit with any traverse awd layout on the 6gc. The oil pan would hit the ground without a dry sump system and the front of the block (without any pulleys or accessories) would be 6 inches past the inside frame rail, meaning after cutting the front of the car apart to make it fit your passengerside tire would rub the block when making left turns.

You could potentially start cutting up the car and weld a longitudinally mounted 1uz in, with a 4x4 transfer case and a solid front axle. I dont think IFS would be possible, you need an axle with a differential and the differential has to be offset to match the driveshaft from the transfer case. Lastly you will need a custom rack and pinion or worm gear steering setup and a fully custom front suspension.

If you want a 4liter, awd celica, the only practical way its gonna happen is swapping an 2grfe in with a 1gr crankshaft. It would eat 1uz's for breakfast.

An V8 awd celica is impossible, a 4wd celica is possible but not at all feasible. Easiest way would be to weld the celica body onto an existing 4x4 chassis


Thanks Special Edy!
A quick search showed that the 2grfe is a more common platform and can make some serious power.
Accordingly to you and what I understand, the 2gr-fe produces 266-280 hp as a 3.5l engine.
If the 1gr rankshaft is interchangeable then the extra half liter will push the power to more than 300 na hp and some tons of torque. all these are measured with just 87 octane fuel!!!
Plus the awd capabilty and comparative low weight due to the aluminium block.
So, lets say

scenario 1 : a light turbo set up
How much boost could the stock motor - fuel system - ecu - etc could handle and support?
What power should be expected from this?

Senario 2 : a built engine to support more boost without excessive modifications but retain drivability characteristics.
factory forged rods ( If I'm not wrong )
a set of forged pistons,
arp studs
a set of cometic gasket
upgrated(?) fuel system
a piggy back ecu? (is there something that support 6 cylinder engines? or a stand alone unit is nessecary?)
a stronger clutch
and what short of power do you think should be expected from such a set up?

It's a hard motor to source tho. What would be the most common cars that came with?


QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Jun 22, 2014 - 1:20 AM) *
QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 18, 2014 - 9:02 AM) *
QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Jun 17, 2014 - 5:53 PM) *
1mz block 3mz heads
Forged internals
Add boost till happy

If you stay awd that is



Other way around. 3MZ block with 1MZ heads. you would need serious mods to the 3MZ heads to put them on a 1MZ block.

That's what I meant. Brain fart sorry.
I would love to see a and v6 6gen turbo or not


Me too.
This thread was not meant to offend the 3s potential.
I just want to make something different and maybe better.
v6 and v8 motors are awesome!!!

Could you give some more information about the 3mz block - 1mz head combination?
Is it easy to retain the awd? Maybe Any non 6gc that use it and boost that motor?

Posts in this topic
- underground_design   "whatever" swaped st205   Jun 16, 2014 - 4:55 PM
- - Smaay   RE: "whatever" swaped st205   Jun 16, 2014 - 5:35 PM
- - cardshark525   Here... Buy this : http://forums.modified.com/70/1...   Jun 16, 2014 - 6:20 PM
- - underground_design   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 16, 2014 - 5:35 P...   Jun 17, 2014 - 6:42 AM
- - Malek   Maybe you've seen the K20 swapped MR2? Yes it...   Jun 17, 2014 - 2:25 PM
- - njccmd2002   plain and simple, you can put any engine you want....   Jun 17, 2014 - 6:27 PM
- - richee3   Not the most hp out there, but a 1UZ is a good opt...   Jun 17, 2014 - 6:41 PM
- - njccmd2002   yup forgot that, but space will be tight... but y...   Jun 17, 2014 - 6:49 PM
- - Box   Well, there's the MZ family of V6 engines. Eh...   Jun 17, 2014 - 7:40 PM
- - kurt95gt   1mz block 3mz heads Forged internals Add boost t...   Jun 17, 2014 - 7:53 PM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Jun 17, 2014 - 5:5...   Jun 18, 2014 - 8:02 AM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 18, 2014 - 9:02 A...   Jun 22, 2014 - 1:20 AM
- - Box   OMGZ KURT IS ALIVE.   Jun 18, 2014 - 2:36 AM
- - Box   I totally would be up for a twin turbo 3MZ/1MZ hyb...   Jun 18, 2014 - 2:21 PM
- - underground_design   that would be insane! problem is that these ...   Jun 18, 2014 - 5:00 PM
- - Box   Can take the 3S-GTE into the 600's last I knew...   Jun 18, 2014 - 7:03 PM
- - Special_Edy   2GR-FE, 3.5L V6, over 270 hp stock. If that wasnt ...   Jun 19, 2014 - 7:15 AM
- - underground_design   QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jun 19, 2014 - 7...   Jun 19, 2014 - 2:00 PM
- - Special_Edy   I dont think they have ever been mated, but the be...   Jun 19, 2014 - 3:09 PM
- - SwissFerdi   For something different and fun...335i twin turbo ...   Jun 19, 2014 - 3:51 PM
- - Neon90424   custom build an engine out of 2 CBR1000 engines an...   Jun 20, 2014 - 8:24 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   this thread is useless and will be closed any seco...   Jun 20, 2014 - 1:52 PM
- - Box   It's not entirely useless, and there's no ...   Jun 20, 2014 - 2:50 PM
- - underground_design   Since there are more than one cars with that kind ...   Jun 20, 2014 - 8:16 PM
- - Box   The problem is making certain engines fit though.   Jun 20, 2014 - 8:42 PM
- - underground_design   There is it. A ta22 with a turbo v8 1uz and awd ...   Jun 21, 2014 - 5:27 PM
- - Special_Edy   1uz wont fit with any traverse awd layout on the 6...   Jun 21, 2014 - 7:16 PM
- - underground_design   QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jun 21, 2014 - 7...   Jun 22, 2014 - 5:34 PM
- - underground_design   and just show some understanding for my bad Englis...   Jun 22, 2014 - 5:39 PM
- - kurt95gt   A company called DTM(I think) built a Camry runnin...   Jun 23, 2014 - 12:00 AM
- - Special_Edy   You could probably turbocharge or supercharge a 1m...   Jun 23, 2014 - 10:40 AM
- - underground_design   QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Jun 23, 2014 - 12...   Jun 24, 2014 - 7:16 PM
- - Special_Edy   Camry3MZ1000: http://youtu.be/XNWbZ53_CZo GT40R T...   Jun 24, 2014 - 10:34 PM


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