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post Oct 5, 2014 - 3:14 PM
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Got this off a 97 3sfe rav4. I'm going to customize a intake manifold body for it at my work(custom sheet metal shop). this is the starting process should look close to a beams intake when in done. Ill be using 0.100" 5052 aluminum for the body with a machined 0.250" T6 aluminum flange. I will most likely make 2 when i take the intake form my 95 GT off. So I'll have one for sale then. Any thoughts??

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post Oct 19, 2014 - 5:27 PM
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Yes, so no sense just hacking some stuff together and spending all the time to make it and get it leak free to find out you screwed up the plenum volume or runner length or both and have actually lost power. The stock 5S runners are very narrow, I know it's a pain but see about getting some mandrel bent aluminum tube or something and making fatter runners, ideally you want them to taper to the cylinders to compress the air column some so it 'pops' into the chamber when the valve opens and has a good turbulence and swirl to mix the A/F thoroughly for complete combustion and knock resistance.




Funny thing is, I don't even do this stuff or build this stuff, I've just learned this reading way too much and researching about things that interest me. If you do this right you can bolt on some nice gains with the rest of the porting and cams and see some good flow numbers. Remember to leave about a 1mm anti reversion lip on the bottom of the exhaust ports.
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In our page on cylinder head porting, Henry (aka Double H) explains that the primary pipes in the exhaust manifold should at match the exhaust port diameter on the cylinder head; but to reduce reversion, a primary pipe that is slightly larger than the exhaust port is better. Reversion is the flow of exhaust gasses back into the combustion chamber when the downward movement of the piston creates a vacuum in the cylinder. As we mentioned in engine tuning basics, the exhaust valves are still open when the intake stroke begins. This presents the potential for exhaust gasses to be drawn back into the combustion chamber when the piston moves down the cylinder. Any exhaust gases that are drawn into the combustion chamber will displace the air/fuel mixture being drawn in through the intakes valves and will increase the temperature in the combustion chamber, thus reducing the volumetric efficiency of the engine, as well as engine power. Preventing reversion will reduce the contamination of the air/fuel mixture by the spent exhaust gasses and will improve the efficiency of the engine. An anti-reversion header or AR header that is specifically designed to inhibit reversion would be your best choice. Anti-reversion headers have a built-in lip that restricts exhaust gas flow back into the combustion chamber.

http://www.custom-car.us/exhaust/header.aspx quick dirty explanation of things.


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- doory100   Custom 5SFE Intake Manifold Project   Oct 5, 2014 - 3:14 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   nice. Should use a 1mzfe dual throttle body for th...   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:12 PM
|- - doory100   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Oct 6, 2014 - 2...   Oct 6, 2014 - 3:45 PM
- - doory100   QUOTE (doory100 @ Oct 6, 2014 - 4:45...   Oct 8, 2014 - 7:29 PM
- - Syaoran   The one youll have for sale, Im interested. I...   Oct 8, 2014 - 8:01 PM
- - doory100   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Oct 8, 2014 - 8:01 ...   Oct 9, 2014 - 9:12 AM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (doory100 @ Oct 9, 2014 - 10:1...   Oct 9, 2014 - 10:53 PM
- - kurt95gt   Hell if your gonna go 1mz tb maybe pick one up fr...   Oct 15, 2014 - 8:28 AM
- - Syaoran   I don't see the use of putting a dual TB on a ...   Oct 15, 2014 - 1:04 PM
- - doory100   I found both and the dual TB looks like its going ...   Oct 15, 2014 - 5:28 PM
- - mkernz22   Its one cable actuator which connects internally t...   Oct 15, 2014 - 6:35 PM
- - kurt95gt   Pending your plans the dual tb setup might be more...   Oct 15, 2014 - 11:31 PM
- - doory100   It looks like i wont have room since im increasing...   Oct 16, 2014 - 11:07 AM
- - Bitter   You know just hacking a plenum on some runners isn...   Oct 16, 2014 - 9:50 PM
- - doory100   Maybe your right but I'm gonna do it anyway. I...   Oct 17, 2014 - 9:26 PM
- - Bitter   Well that's why you're experimenting, be i...   Oct 17, 2014 - 9:31 PM
|- - doory100   QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 17, 2014 - 10:31...   Oct 17, 2014 - 9:35 PM
- - Bitter   the second link in my post with two links. the ple...   Oct 18, 2014 - 9:06 AM
- - doory100   mrturrari did a good intake for his MR2 on mr2oc.c...   Oct 18, 2014 - 6:49 PM
- - Bitter   Is the engine all stock?   Oct 18, 2014 - 8:55 PM
- - doory100   I have to do the head gasket and when I'm in t...   Oct 19, 2014 - 6:25 AM
- - Bitter   Having one TB at each end or just switching ends? ...   Oct 19, 2014 - 11:09 AM
- - doory100   Splitting them up would be pretty sick! Sky...   Oct 19, 2014 - 3:52 PM
- - Bitter   I've even seen race engines with unequal lengt...   Oct 19, 2014 - 3:57 PM
- - doory100   I just want better gains I'm not out to win a ...   Oct 19, 2014 - 4:24 PM
- - Bitter   Best gains come from proper design.   Oct 19, 2014 - 4:34 PM
- - doory100   Obviously.   Oct 19, 2014 - 5:18 PM
- - Bitter   Yes, so no sense just hacking some stuff together ...   Oct 19, 2014 - 5:27 PM
- - doory100   yes but isn't the the intake flange the same w...   Oct 19, 2014 - 6:50 PM
- - Bitter   The ports in the head and the ports on the manifol...   Oct 19, 2014 - 7:09 PM
- - doory100   Thats not a bad idea. I don't plan on changing...   Nov 14, 2014 - 8:58 PM
- - doory100   Finally starting the intake. Got the runner cutout...   Jan 29, 2015 - 9:24 PM
- - Syaoran   How much plenum volume are you going to have/chose...   Jan 30, 2015 - 8:24 PM
- - doory100   I think I'm changeling the design. What's ...   Jan 31, 2015 - 6:37 PM
- - Bitter   It depends. http://www.fsae.com/forums/showthread...   Jan 31, 2015 - 6:51 PM
- - doory100   Here is the new design? This is kind of what it w...   Feb 12, 2015 - 5:29 PM
- - Bitter   Looking good, the first one you posted looked way ...   Feb 12, 2015 - 9:49 PM
- - doory100   I have decided to use custom runners instead of th...   Mar 8, 2015 - 8:00 AM
- - Bitter   It's looking much better, sorry I can't of...   Mar 8, 2015 - 8:48 AM
- - doory100   Here is a couple photos of the velocity stacks (ki...   Mar 28, 2015 - 7:44 AM
- - Bitter   The mouths look awfully flat.   Mar 28, 2015 - 1:45 PM
- - doory100   I made them myself. I think there pretty good and ...   Mar 28, 2015 - 8:20 PM
- - Bitter   Yes, just the transition from bell to pipe is pret...   Mar 28, 2015 - 8:25 PM
- - doory100   I'm at the point where I really just need to g...   Mar 29, 2015 - 7:49 AM
- - Bitter   Cool, there's always V2, V3, etc to get things...   Mar 29, 2015 - 8:50 AM
- - doory100   Just got my cams back from delta camshaft. They lo...   Mar 29, 2015 - 8:33 PM
- - Bitter   What is it you're worried about with the cams?   Mar 29, 2015 - 8:49 PM
- - doory100   The lobes. Is it OK for the them to have chips at ...   Mar 30, 2015 - 7:07 PM
- - Bitter   Are the followers going to make contact with any s...   Mar 30, 2015 - 8:12 PM
- - doory100   Followers? I'm sure they know what there doing...   Mar 31, 2015 - 6:02 AM
- - Bitter   Shims, whatever makes contact with the lobes (foll...   Mar 31, 2015 - 7:38 AM
- - doory100   What lubricant should I use to break in my cams? I...   Apr 8, 2015 - 6:51 PM
- - Bitter   Head is off the car right? Pull the exhaust valves...   Apr 11, 2015 - 6:08 PM
- - doory100   bought new valves for $100 CAD for all 16 of ...   Apr 23, 2015 - 9:14 PM
- - doory100   Finally got a machine to cut my intake flange...   Apr 23, 2015 - 9:25 PM
- - Bitter   Did you press in new guides too?   Apr 25, 2015 - 12:05 PM
- - doory100   no. but I put in new stem seals. Should I? are the...   Apr 26, 2015 - 6:49 AM
- - Bitter   You should at least check them for straightness an...   Apr 26, 2015 - 10:47 AM
- - doory100   nah I think there ok Ill let that one slide. Im pu...   Apr 26, 2015 - 6:23 PM
- - Bitter   new valves will have new clearances and need to be...   Apr 26, 2015 - 8:06 PM
- - doory100   Finally getting the intake welded together. starti...   May 12, 2015 - 4:36 PM
- - doory100   I have run into a problem. My intake fits but the ...   May 21, 2015 - 8:08 PM
- - Bitter   Depends how solid your mounts are. Get a big wad o...   May 21, 2015 - 9:23 PM
- - rdyzz   Not sure how close yours is but this was the 3sge ...   May 22, 2015 - 12:31 PM
- - doory100   Here is my new clearance. I'm modifying the ...   May 28, 2015 - 12:47 PM
- - Bitter   Do some math on plenum volume, runner length, and ...   May 28, 2015 - 3:09 PM
- - doory100   Went with a new plenum!! Looks awesome...   May 28, 2015 - 5:24 PM
- - doory100   Does it matter where the breather spout is located...   Jun 9, 2015 - 3:52 PM
- - rdyzz   Kinda cause one provides just filtered air while t...   Jun 10, 2015 - 2:48 PM
- - doory100   I have found a use for it   Jun 10, 2015 - 6:32 PM
- - doory100   RE: Custom 5SFE Intake Manifold Project   Jun 14, 2015 - 1:41 PM
- - Nial   I have been looking at a similar thing for my proj...   Jun 14, 2015 - 1:55 PM
- - doory100   hopefully it will be painted by tomorrow   Jun 14, 2015 - 6:55 PM
- - doory100   please delete this thread. the intake was a bust...   Jul 4, 2015 - 8:00 PM
- - richee3   No need to delete it. How was the intake a bust? L...   Jul 4, 2015 - 8:08 PM
- - doory100   the pipe and the TB together were inches away from...   Jul 5, 2015 - 6:42 PM
- - rdyzz   I would still keep it in case you do have some tim...   Jul 5, 2015 - 7:22 PM
- - doory100   Is this a waste of time or should I go for it? The...   Aug 5, 2015 - 11:06 AM
- - doory100   Intake is done and ready to go in tomorrow... I ho...   Aug 18, 2015 - 8:47 PM
- - doory100   RE: Custom 5SFE Intake Manifold Project   Aug 19, 2015 - 9:30 PM
- - Bitter   Does it run?   Aug 19, 2015 - 9:42 PM
- - doory100   Trying to figure out the vacuums hoses.. Huge clus...   Aug 19, 2015 - 10:24 PM
- - Bitter   Well for the engine to run you have... Manifold v...   Aug 19, 2015 - 10:31 PM
- - doory100   Thanks for the info it should help. But what do I ...   Aug 20, 2015 - 7:10 AM
- - Bitter   For now yea, just get it up and running and see ho...   Aug 20, 2015 - 7:28 AM
- - doory100   Thanks for the info I appreciate it.   Aug 20, 2015 - 8:36 AM
- - doory100   Made this out of stainless steel. For my afr guage...   Aug 21, 2015 - 4:15 PM
- - Bitter   Looks nice, pretty close fit too!   Aug 21, 2015 - 9:01 PM


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