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post May 21, 2016 - 12:58 PM
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I am a celica freak, I want to take a 5sfe block and build a full race motor. I also want to rework the rear and create space for an awd system. Was wondering if anyone has attempted this yet? If so what problems did you encounter and tips for finding parts. All work will be done by me and my friend who is a certified mechanic.
 
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post Jun 5, 2016 - 9:49 AM
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A block being able to handle static pressure is one thing, a block being able to handle dynamic loads is another thing entirely. At 1000hp from a 2.2L you'll need to make 250hp on each cylinder, roughly double the stock power output of the WHOLE ENGINE will be loaded on EACH rod bearing. There's not going to be enough bearing surface present to sustain that load for any meaningful length of time assuming it doesn't fail on the lead up to that power level. Not to mention the loading on the crank and it's main bearings against the block, likely you'll run out of oil film down there too and if it doesn't spin/scuff bearings from load it'll be doing so from the block distorting. The only way you're going to get away with running that kind of power on a somewhat reliable basis is to get a custom block machined, and at that point it's not a 5S-FE anymore, it's a hunk of billet with water jackets and cylinder liners pressed into it.
And then there's the drivetrain itself, it's not going to stand up to 1000hp. Period. You'll be scouring for $20,000 WRC transmissions and $10,000 WRC differentials, buying custom axles, you'll end up with a $90,000 car that runs 10's and breaks something new every 4th run.
If you want 1000hp buy a lightly used GTR and mod it, it'll be cheaper and more reliable in the long run and hey it's a GTR!



Now, if you shoot for 500hp that's more reasonable and attainable and can possibly be made reliable. Go for that.


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post Jun 6, 2016 - 9:05 AM
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 5, 2016 - 10:49 AM) *
The only way you're going to get away with running that kind of power on a somewhat reliable basis is to get a custom block machined, and at that point it's not a 5S-FE anymore, it's a hunk of billet with water jackets and cylinder liners pressed into it.


Just what I was about to say.

Most people who would ACTUALLY do something like this wouldn't come to an enthusiast forum to ask for help and opinions.
These unimaginable feats are usually performed by engineers from race-teams funded by eccentric millionaires.
(which is why our reaction was that YOU were trolling us not us trolling you)


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Posts in this topic
- Phoenixinks   AWD 94-96 700+hp   May 21, 2016 - 12:58 PM
- - Tigawoods   a celica freak huh? I dont think we've had o...   May 22, 2016 - 12:31 AM
- - The_enD   5sgte + ST205 floor pan   May 22, 2016 - 2:47 AM
- - njccmd2002   I think this question belongs in the celica facebo...   May 22, 2016 - 3:18 AM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ May 22, 2016 - 3...   Jun 6, 2016 - 12:29 PM
- - CelicaDICE   Lol wut.   May 22, 2016 - 9:14 AM
- - 4-eyed-freek   QUOTE (Phoenixinks @ May 21, 2016 - 1...   May 22, 2016 - 10:45 AM
- - Zeros2   To even ask these questions means you have done no...   May 25, 2016 - 10:19 PM
|- - Phoenixinks   QUOTE (Zeros2 @ May 25, 2016 - 11:19...   May 29, 2016 - 7:16 PM
|- - Zeros2   QUOTE (Phoenixinks @ May 29, 2016 - 8...   Jun 4, 2016 - 7:53 AM
- - mgnt232   QUOTE (Phoenixinks @ May 21, 2016 - 12...   May 26, 2016 - 6:55 AM
- - njccmd2002   do you think a 5s will take that horsepower? lol.   Jun 3, 2016 - 9:38 PM
- - Jmk91   First off I don't think anyone is even remotel...   Jun 4, 2016 - 2:10 AM
- - Phoenixinks   I've seen pressure tests with 5sfe being able ...   Jun 4, 2016 - 3:36 PM
|- - ClevelandGaint   QUOTE (Phoenixinks @ Jun 4, 2016 - 4...   Jun 6, 2016 - 7:03 AM
|- - bloodMoney   QUOTE (Phoenixinks @ Jun 4, 2016 - 3...   Jun 6, 2016 - 11:12 AM
- - Bitter   A block being able to handle static pressure is on...   Jun 5, 2016 - 9:49 AM
|- - mgnt232   Ive seen a few 5sgte builds (from alltrac/mr2) pus...   Jun 6, 2016 - 7:36 AM
|- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 5, 2016 - 10:49 ...   Jun 6, 2016 - 9:05 AM
- - Malek   QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Jun 6, 2016 - 9:0...   Jun 6, 2016 - 9:55 AM


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