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post Oct 21, 2016 - 4:49 PM
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Hello all, I found a surprise in my 1996 Celica: It has an ECU for a 7afe manual transmission engine, however, mine is a 5sfe manual. The engine runs well, but gas mileage is not as good as it is supposed to despite replacing the cap, rotor, plugs, wires, and I get a P0141 code despite replacing the O2 sensor with an OEM Denso and checking the wiring connection between the sensor and the computer. The cables don't appear to be all spliced up, either.

Why would someone do this, and what would I have to do to replace it with the original (if this would fix the gas mileage and sensor issues)?

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post Oct 22, 2016 - 6:47 PM
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Yeah, I'm surprised it works I'd guess it has all the same signals it's just going to be sending the wrong amount of fuel n such. As to why they did it, obviously because that's just what they could find and it worked. If you had to buy one of those things from Toyota back in the day it would have cost you a **** load of money. You can buy refurbished ones on Rockauto.com for $250 or if you get lucky you might find one at a salvage yard. I'd check for part-out threads too.


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post Oct 22, 2016 - 7:22 PM
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If I were you, I'd check the pinouts of 5S and 7A ECUs to make sure they match before you plug in a 5S ECU. Whomever did this in the first place might have re-pinned the ECU connectors to match the 7A ECU pinout, and if you don't pin it back you may have further issues.

Of, you may try to get the 7A O2 sensor, until you find the correct ECU at least. biggrin.gif

The ECU really doesn't do as much "engine control" if you boil it down - it's just injectors and ignition, really. Most of the other crap is emissions, various sensors, AC, and so on. Given how conservatively Toyota ECUs are tuned, it's not too much of a surprise that it does run. Really cool nonetheless.

QUOTE (VavAlephVav @ Oct 22, 2016 - 6:47 PM) *
Yeah, I'm surprised it works I'd guess it has all the same signals it's just going to be sending the wrong amount of fuel n such. As to why they did it, obviously because that's just what they could find and it worked. If you had to buy one of those things from Toyota back in the day it would have cost you a **** load of money. You can buy refurbished ones on Rockauto.com for $250 or if you get lucky you might find one at a salvage yard. I'd check for part-out threads too.

Not necessarily - 5SFE would have bigger injectors to match it's increased displacement, so the amount of fuel may actually be correct, or close enough that the ECU may correct it with fuel trims - LTFT can add or subtract up to 20% before triggering CEL wink.gif

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- thebestofall007   ECU for a 7afe in a 5sfe 1996 manual celica   Oct 21, 2016 - 4:49 PM
- - mkernz22   You'd just have to unplug the old one, take it...   Oct 21, 2016 - 5:05 PM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Oct 21, 2016 - 5:0...   Oct 21, 2016 - 5:19 PM
- - Bitter   I'm shocked a 7A ECU would run a 5S at all let...   Oct 22, 2016 - 8:26 AM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 22, 2016 - 8:26 ...   Oct 22, 2016 - 6:48 PM
- - VavAlephVav   Yeah, I'm surprised it works I'd guess it ...   Oct 22, 2016 - 6:47 PM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (VavAlephVav @ Oct 22, 2016 - 6...   Oct 22, 2016 - 6:50 PM
|- - slavie   If I were you, I'd check the pinouts of 5S and...   Oct 22, 2016 - 7:22 PM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (slavie @ Oct 22, 2016 - 7:22 ...   Oct 25, 2016 - 4:22 PM
- - thebestofall007   I did some looking at the wiring schematics of one...   Oct 23, 2016 - 8:25 AM
- - Bitter   I was going to mention that the connectors may not...   Oct 23, 2016 - 10:59 AM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 23, 2016 - 10:59...   Oct 23, 2016 - 2:04 PM
- - mkernz22   I agree, get us some pictures so we know what we...   Oct 23, 2016 - 3:02 PM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Oct 23, 2016 - 3:0...   Oct 25, 2016 - 1:46 PM
- - slavie   If it's a 97, you can hook it up to your lapto...   Oct 27, 2016 - 5:32 PM
|- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (slavie @ Oct 27, 2016 - 5:32 ...   Oct 27, 2016 - 11:42 PM
- - VavAlephVav   You can get the USB to ODBII cable on ebay pretty ...   Oct 28, 2016 - 8:03 AM
- - thebestofall007   I just noticed something regarding the P0141 code ...   Nov 2, 2016 - 6:48 PM
- - Bitter   That's quite possible. You'd need to check...   Nov 2, 2016 - 7:09 PM
- - thebestofall007   QUOTE (Bitter @ Nov 2, 2016 - 7:09 P...   Nov 2, 2016 - 8:19 PM


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